Speed for a C Topic

prezuiwf
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How important is speed for a center? I have two centers, one with ATH/SPD of 56/22, one with 56/8. The one with 8 speed is slightly better in most other relevant categories and solidly better in DEF.

Alberto Correa

Alonzo Vazquez

They're both C- in M2M (which I run) and Vazquez has him slightly beat in offensive IQ in motion (C+ to C-) so I think IQ is negligible. Really the question is, does Correa's low speed make it better to start Vazquez? Is speed particularly important for a position that doesn't do a whole lot of moving?

Thanks in advance for any and all assistance!
8/4/2010 10:58 AM
reinsel
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I don't think speed is all that important for anything a center does except for offensive rebounding.  I think that is correlated to speed.  (at least when you plan man/motion)
8/4/2010 11:22 AM
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the combination of the ath and speed number is more important. .........on a side note i think its important to have at least one speed center/pf for balance.
8/4/2010 11:59 AM
reinsel
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PF is a different position.  Speed is much more important. 

I don't think that the combined number is nearly important without playing fastbreak or press or combo.  I would MUCH rather have a C with 80 ath and 20 speed than a guy with 40 ath and 65 speed at the center position.

8/4/2010 1:13 PM
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It depends on what system you run. For instance, I run the FB and rarely sign centers below 30 speed unless their other skills are overwhelming. I'd imagine the triangle or flex would require the least amount of speed on offense and a zone wouldn't require as much speed as man-2-man or press.
8/4/2010 5:31 PM
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For this system, I'd start Correa. As mentioned here, speed isn't as important for a C as for a PF, and in a M2M defense, his defensive advantage is key. If it was a FB/press system, maybe I start the other guy. But for a standard motion/M2M, I wouldn't sweat the speed difference as long as Correa stays at C.
8/4/2010 6:32 PM
prezuiwf
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Thanks for the help guys! I think I might go with Correa if speed really isn't that important for a C in a motion/M2M system.
8/4/2010 7:39 PM
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I'd go with the Core Stats of Rebounding, Low Post, and Shot Blocking, and the Secondary stats of Defense & Stamina. Go with Correa, his Defense & Stamina advantages are the deciding factors.
8/4/2010 10:32 PM
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Er, well... I totally agree that speed for a DII center isn't terribly important.  But it's better than no speed.  And Vazquez's PE and even BH far outweigh Correa's negligible advantages in Reb (+1). SB (+4) and LP (+4).  The disadvantage in defense is significant, but I don't think it overcomes these other advantages.  I'd without question start Vazquez, except possibly when facing dominant centers who need to be defended.
8/4/2010 11:14 PM
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Of note: in nearly identical minutes through 10 games, Vazquez -- against opposing starters -- is 7.3 pts. 6.4 rebs, shooting 50% (while shooting a quarter of his shots from 3, at 23% no less -- what's up with that?!?).  Correa, against the backups, is 1.8/6.0 at 35%.  Vazquez also commits 1.3 fouls to Correa's 1.9.  It's a no brainer -- the numbers have spoken.  Vazquez all the way.
8/4/2010 11:19 PM
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Vazquez does have a thirty Perimeter. .what is his three point setting?

 

8/5/2010 6:21 AM
ryanderson
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Vazquez 100%, especially since you will be able to develop him for the next 4 years as opposed to only 3 with Correa. For those who say to go with Correa, with Vazquez's stamina he'll probably get about the same amount of playing time anyway. Even at C, I find speed is more important in the m2m than many think. The main reason I say Correa is even if set at -2 3pt shooting, that 30 per will really help shooting percentage inside, and he has the offensive IQ advantage which can have a huge difference when starting a young C.
8/5/2010 8:22 AM
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Posted by jeffdrayer on 8/4/2010 11:19:00 PM (view original):
Of note: in nearly identical minutes through 10 games, Vazquez -- against opposing starters -- is 7.3 pts. 6.4 rebs, shooting 50% (while shooting a quarter of his shots from 3, at 23% no less -- what's up with that?!?).  Correa, against the backups, is 1.8/6.0 at 35%.  Vazquez also commits 1.3 fouls to Correa's 1.9.  It's a no brainer -- the numbers have spoken.  Vazquez all the way.
If you are going to compare stats like "points per game" or "rebounds per game" or "fouls per game", you need to normalize them for minutes. 
8/5/2010 1:12 PM
jeffdrayer
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Yeah, I said "nearly identical" because I didn't feel like doing the math.  Vaz plays 19 minutes, Correa 17.  Shouldn't account for the extra 5.5 pts, though :)
8/5/2010 5:06 PM
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