Ongoing Debate/FT Disperity/New Engine Problem Topic

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I see nothing wrong here.  I get that you're upset because you lost, but the guys who fouled a lot aren't exactly the best defenders.  Plus 6 of those FTs came when you were intentionally fouling.
8/15/2010 9:26 PM
Yeah, but they shouldn't have had to be intentionally fouling at all. I only averaged 14 fouls a game the whole season to some very high quality teams. Only fouled 12 times the first game, 9 times the second game and played the whole first half with only 6 fouls to his 7. Second half he only fouls 5 times to my 17 and he's playing a -4 Defense. I had more fouls in this game than the first 2 combined.
8/15/2010 9:46 PM
First off, you had 4 intentional fouls in the last minute of the game trying to stay in it. In double-bonus, that's 8 FT in the last 1 minute.
Also it looks like your starters got into foul trouble early into the second half - from fouls from the first and early second half. 5 of your teams fouls in the first 18 min of the second half were by your back-ups, compared to 7 by your starters, and one illegal screen by a back-up.

Without the last-minute desperation fouls it was 6 fouls in the first half, 13 fouls in the second half. Is that really a huge difference? Also, your team was leading almost the entire first half, then behind almost the entire second half (granted, it wasn't by much in either half). It makes sense that a team behind in the second half would have a few more fouls.

Your argument about defensive positioning works completely against you. Playing a plus defense increases fouls. Your defenders are playing up and close their players, while at a -4 they really gave your team some space - causing less fouls.
8/15/2010 10:43 PM
fouls were not a strength of the old engine either.
8/15/2010 10:45 PM
-4 means your climbing all over someones back to get rebounds though. Also in the "Frequently Asked Questions Section" though they post this.

Ryan, your point of view doesn't hold weight.

Q: What does the defensive positioning setting do?
A: This setting allows you to focus your defense on a particular area of the floor such as tightly guarding the perimeter or packing the lane. Each has it's pros and cons. If you focus too much on the outside, yes, you'll give their outside shooters fits and you'll probably be called for less fouls, but their low post players will have an easier time inside as will players that drive to the hole. You'll also be out of position for many rebounds. On the other hand, if you focus on stopping the inside game, you'll give a good passing team many open outside shots, but you'll have more players in position to rebound and you'll probably be called for more fouls by concentrating your defenders in one area.
8/15/2010 11:23 PM
I did figure out what he did though that was different than the first 2 games. He switched his lineup and inserted his backup SG to starting SF and I think that's what caused my team fits. It was a speed difference of +29, a perimeter difference of +19, a ball handling difference of +35, and a passing difference of +12. Chenier, the SG also has a LP of 47 which is quite high for a SG.
8/15/2010 11:34 PM
Wow I honestly haven't read the FAQs thoroughly enough; completely missed this one. Now I see where you're coming from on the defensive positioning standpoint in a frustrating loss, but the fouls definitely weren't as crazy as they were when the engine first came out.

IMHO, WIS's explanation doesn't really make sense. From personal experience and through taking with some vets I had come to believe it was the exact opposite of this, which to me also made more basketball sense from watching aggressive college teams defending the perimeter (such as watching Venoy Overton hack away at the rest of the Pac-10).

Thanks for bringing this up though, I'll have to keep it in mind as I'm looking at future box scores.
8/16/2010 1:51 AM (edited)
I think you nailed it, court.  The speed difference meant your guys were often a step behind.  That probably led to more reaching.
8/16/2010 4:54 AM
Posted by ryanderson on 8/16/2010 1:51:00 AM (view original):
Wow I honestly haven't read the FAQs thoroughly enough; completely missed this one. Now I see where you're coming from on the defensive positioning standpoint in a frustrating loss, but the fouls definitely weren't as crazy as they were when the engine first came out.

IMHO, WIS's explanation doesn't really make sense. From personal experience and through taking with some vets I had come to believe it was the exact opposite of this, which to me also made more basketball sense from watching aggressive college teams defending the perimeter (such as watching Venoy Overton hack away at the rest of the Pac-10).

Thanks for bringing this up though, I'll have to keep it in mind as I'm looking at future box scores.
I was in the exact same boat as you.

That explanation make no sense to me.
8/16/2010 12:18 PM
Posted by courtmagic on 8/15/2010 11:34:00 PM (view original):
I did figure out what he did though that was different than the first 2 games. He switched his lineup and inserted his backup SG to starting SF and I think that's what caused my team fits. It was a speed difference of +29, a perimeter difference of +19, a ball handling difference of +35, and a passing difference of +12. Chenier, the SG also has a LP of 47 which is quite high for a SG.
That would definitely make a big difference.

8/16/2010 5:07 PM
Fouls and free throws seem to be off again.  Fouls in my last two nights/days worth of games were way, way up.
8/17/2010 2:54 AM
As is my best defender with a rating of 95, getting lit up in the last 2 games.
8/17/2010 2:58 AM
OK, I'm subing for Alblack56 over in Crum and last night in my Conference Semi Final the same thing happened. Drury (me) playing a +2 Defense, St Mary's (Mott) playing a -4 Defense. Seble can you look into this please.

http://whatifsports.com/hd/GameResults/BoxScore.aspx?gid=6076346 

Here's my morning after message to the coach I played in that game.

Mott, nice game. Good thing your guys hit all those miraculous FTs out of nowhere. First half to second half, basically nothing changes. First Half - Drury 12 fouls, St Mary's 17 fouls. Second Half - Drury 22 fouls, St Mary's 12 fouls. FTs First Half -  Drury 16-21, St Mary's 9-14. FTs Second Half - Drury 6-13, St Mary's 26-31. Nothing against you Mott, but we had this FT disparity problem in Allen also, since the new engine and all of Seble's so called improvements and it's caused alot of grumbling with the veterans.
8/21/2010 11:42 AM
I had been mostly a pressing team for a few years but then with all the fouls I committed under the new engine I switched to halfcourt press/man and then to all man D unless I was down in the last 6 minutes of the 2nd half by 7 points or more.
 My problem is I only have one guy with a defense rating above 60 and only 3 guys above a 40 D rating.
 This year the free throw disparity is in my favor. Even though the first season of the new engine had my best offensive team ever, my D was so bad I went 16-12 and missed the postseason.
 This year I had a 27 RPI and at least made the NT.
 I for one like the new engine.
8/22/2010 9:29 AM
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