Can someone tell me why this player isn't getting more rebounds?

http://whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Stats.aspx?tid=3795&pid=1548321

He often only gets the same amount as the player he's matched up with.  I run man (best rebounding defense) and rarely play more than +1.

Is there something I don't get about rebounding?  This guy should be one of the better rebounders in the country, but if you look through the game log, he often only has 5 or 6, which I think is unacceptable for the massive ath/reb advantage he usually has.

Any thought?

Oh, and here's the team, if it helps:

http://whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=3795

OK, let's start with this: He's getting 6.2 rpg. How many do you think he should be getting?

Keep in mind he's only playing 22 mpg. In real life, a starter would usually play 30. If he were playing 30, he'd be getting 8-8.5 rebs/game. Would that be more in line with your expectations?

Also, keep in mind that you have three really strong rebounders. If your other two bigs were only average rebounders, his #'s would go up. But overall, I wouldn't expect much more given the relatively limited minutes.

I'm not saying those aren't good point, they certainly are. 

But, Neal, in the same amount of minutes, is averaging 1.5 more rebounds per game.

Also, I always have teams with reb ratings like this, and rarely do I have a starter with Schrum's ath/reb average this low, so it's not like this I'm arbitrarily guessing at what he should have.  His ath/reb are elite for D3, and his rebounding average is on the low end for one of my starting bigs, in an average season anyway.

Last, it's not so much that I'm concerned with his rebounding averages.  I'm more concerned with why guys who he is matched up and simply aren't in his rebounding league, are grabbing the same or more rebounds on a regular basis.  If I was missing a ton more shots, or playing zone (+5), I would understand, but that's clearly not the case.

Let's just look at the games I've lost:

Loss 1: Schrum's advantage (ath/reb) -3/+22 -- each got 5 rebounds, Schrum with 0 offensive, the other guy had 1
Loss 2: +16/+1 -- each got 8 rebounds, Schrum with 3 offensive, the other guy had 1
Loss 3: +22/+16 -- Schrum got outrebound 5 to 4, and 2 to 1 on the offensive glass
Loss 4: +5/+31 -- each got 6, Schrum outrebounded 2 to 1 on the offensive glass

Keep in mind that ALL of these teams ran press, and that it should theoretically be easier to get offensive rebounds against the press.

Clearly, there is more that goes into it than straight ath/reb, but this has happened plenty more than just in losses.  Average centers average 6 reb a game.  Schrum has elite ratings.  I would understand if it was a couple of games, things happen.  In fact, you were the one who gave me the best advice about this game from a 10,000-foot level, and I took it to heart - really made my experience a better one.  But this is now a season-long trend of being equal with much, much lesser players, and it's getting annoying.

That said, I really am looking for ideas to maximize his production, not just ***** about it.  So, if you have any thoughts as to what I can do, I'm all ears.

Well, in those first two losses you listed, he fouled out and played about 15 minutes in both.  He got 8 boards in 14 minutes in your 2nd loss, so that is pretty spectacular.

It looks like Woods rebounds really well at his SG position, so that could be stealing some boards from Schrum.

Just a couple observations, I didn't get too in depth in looking at it, just a really high level.  He is a beast though so I can see how it'd be annoying - I was shocked when I saw he was D3 jr.

Good point.  I forgot he only played 14 and 16 minutes in those first two.  And those teams are very, very good.  Although he was matched up with a guy who only played 15 in the first one, too.

But there have also been at least a few games against not-so-good teams where he is getting 5 and 6 rebounds against MUCH lesser players.

I don't know, could just be one of those things.  But I'm hoping I can stop it from being one of those things.

Posted by daalter on 9/1/2010 11:39:00 AM (view original):
OK, let's start with this: He's getting 6.2 rpg. How many do you think he should be getting?

Keep in mind he's only playing 22 mpg. In real life, a starter would usually play 30. If he were playing 30, he'd be getting 8-8.5 rebs/game. Would that be more in line with your expectations?

Also, keep in mind that you have three really strong rebounders. If your other two bigs were only average rebounders, his #'s would go up. But overall, I wouldn't expect much more given the relatively limited minutes.

Another thing to note is that the game has NEVER done a very good job at distributing REB/AST/BLK numbers across individuals.   The team averages and totals end up looking OK, but the way they are spread never makes a ton of sense.

For an example - Bobby Hurley holds the NCAA DI record with 1076 career assists.  The career record holders for assists over my 5 teams are:

Brandeis - 411
Johns Hopkins - 513
Duke - 470
George Washington - 461
UCLA - 450

Nobody with even half as many.

i don't disagree with you, but without looking up the stats myself I would venture a guess that Hurley also played between 40 and 50 more games in his career than any of the Sim players do, and likely played closer to 30 mins per game rather than the 20 or so most guys in the SIM get. 

with that said i think your point is still valid, but it's not as terribly skewed as those numbers would make it seem

Hurley played over 4800 minutes at Duke.  From 33-36 minutes a game each season.
But still he averaged an assist about every 4.5 minutes.    Even after the change a couple years ago that increased assists, it's not very common to find a HD guy close to 1 every 5.   But I'd also guess that Duke averaged a few more points a game than most HD teams which resulted in more assists.

Blocks were still one thing seble was trying to address.   It's not uncommon for a NCAA leader to have more than 150 blocks in a season.  I think guys like Olajuwon had seasons with more than 200.  That's probably more than most team career leaders in HD, even the teams that play zone.