It's about 2HV = 1 CV, so anything less than 300 miles, HV is more cost effective? Getting into my first battle in about 8 different recruiting rounds, so don't know the exact value. 

i would say you are safe going with all HV for local recruits (up to 360)

the following is from lostmyth2's forum of advice...

What is the relative effort between home visits and campus visits. Do you think 8 HV = 3 CV or is it something else or is it variable? - reinsel

It's not variable. I believe one campus visit is worth somewhere between 2.5-3 home visits.

not sure if the following is valid anymore but it works for me...

admin (before he left) told me in a tech support case (i have to look up the case #)  that CVs do not carry more weight than HVs.   it comes down to the total $ spent (aka effort into a recruit).  then u factor in prestige and distance if you are in a recruiting battle.

regarding myself, i use CVs only to limit the # of mouse clicks when in recruiting battles with opposing coaches of worse (or same prestige) as me plus the distance miles are nearly identical for us.

regarding the HV vs. CV  ratio, u need to do the math for all coaches in a recruiting battle.  do u know how to do this?  u need to figure out how many CVs and HVs u and your opponent get per $1k spent.  that will tell u which visiting method to use based on value.   then u must factor in prestige as that really matters.

To be clear ...$$ and effort are not the same thing

Posted by tdtony on 1/9/2011 9:17:00 AM (view original):
not sure if the following is valid anymore but it works for me...

admin (before he left) told me in a tech support case (i have to look up the case #)  that CVs do not carry more weight than HVs.   it comes down to the total $ spent (aka effort into a recruit).  then u factor in prestige and distance if you are in a recruiting battle.

regarding myself, i use CVs only to limit the # of mouse clicks when in recruiting battles with opposing coaches of worse (or same prestige) as me plus the distance miles are nearly identical for us.

regarding the HV vs. CV  ratio, u need to do the math for all coaches in a recruiting battle.  do u know how to do this?  u need to figure out how many CVs and HVs u and your opponent get per $1k spent.  that will tell u which visiting method to use based on value.   then u must factor in prestige as that really matters.

I'm confused just reading this.

Clearly one CV has more value than one HV.  So my intrepretation is that one CV carries more weight than one HV.  The above discussion is attempting to determine exactly how many HV equal one CV. 

And recruiting is all about effort.  Total $ spent really doesn't come into play.

Also using CV because they take fewer mouse clicks?  Can't one send 10 HVs at a time, but only one CV?

The ratio advantage of HV to CV is a variable based on the distance for any given recruit. The values are show on the recruit engagement pg. For example, if a HV, costs $300 and a CV cost $600, 1 CV is worth 2 HVs. However, the total spent on a recruit is what matters. Hence, $10k of CVs is the same as $10k of HVs when it comes to recruiting according to HD customer support.

Posted by jaisonline on 1/9/2011 12:52:00 PM (view original):
The ratio advantage of HV to CV is a variable based on the distance for any given recruit. The values are show on the recruit engagement pg. For example, if a HV, costs $300 and a CV cost $600, 1 CV is worth 2 HVs. However, the total spent on a recruit is what matters. Hence, $10k of CVs is the same as $10k of HVs when it comes to recruiting according to HD customer support.

Ehh how does that make any sense? If it's based on how much money is spent, then why do we even care about distance when we recruit?

Or if you mean that from distance X, Y amount spent in HV is worth the same as Y amount spent in CV, that still sounds wrong. If this is the case, why even have HV or CV for that matter, since they would be worth the same? Why not just incorporate a "put in amount $Y" for each recruit? And how do you value the effect of playing time or start promises when HV or CV do not have a corresponding recruiting effort, and is just based on money spent?

Posted by jaisonline on 1/9/2011 12:52:00 PM (view original):
The ratio advantage of HV to CV is a variable based on the distance for any given recruit. The values are show on the recruit engagement pg. For example, if a HV, costs $300 and a CV cost $600, 1 CV is worth 2 HVs. However, the total spent on a recruit is what matters. Hence, $10k of CVs is the same as $10k of HVs when it comes to recruiting according to HD customer support.

jais, that's just not correct. My bet is that CS didn't say that and that something got lost in translation, but if someone did actually tell you that, they're wrong.

Posted by jaisonline on 1/9/2011 12:52:00 PM (view original):
The ratio advantage of HV to CV is a variable based on the distance for any given recruit. The values are show on the recruit engagement pg. For example, if a HV, costs $300 and a CV cost $600, 1 CV is worth 2 HVs. However, the total spent on a recruit is what matters. Hence, $10k of CVs is the same as $10k of HVs when it comes to recruiting according to HD customer support.

total misinformation.

there is some mystery ratio of how many HV equate to a CV (perhaps even varies by distance).   But the total $ spent has absolutely nothing to do with it. 
each recruiting tool has a "effort" value.  Maybe a phone call is worth 1 point, a scouting evaulation is worth 10, a home visit is worth 20 and a campus visit is worth 50.  Then other factors such as Prestige are used as a multiplier to those values.  Not knowing the exact ratios helps make recruiting a challenge. 

if the HV is $300 and the CV is $600, there still is an advantage of using one recruiting method over another (dependent on that ratio). 

yeah, the two comments about it being about money, not effort, are absolutely wrong. there is not too much in this game i would say i am 100% sure of, but in this case, i will.

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Date User
10/25/2008 10:06 AM jaisonline
hi,

i have general recruiting questions

is $10k worth of Campus Visits equal the same as $10k worth of Home Visits when it comes to recruiting kids?

what is more important in recruiting, coach prestige or distance? how does one calculate the estimated diff to overcome one over the other during a recruiting battle (e.g prestige diff)?


10/25/2008 4:41 PM Customer Support
Hi, the answer to question is yes, they're about the same. Both prestige and distance play a role in recruiting but there are no formulas, that I know of, that can be used to tell you exactly what you need to do.

Posted by jaisonline on 1/9/2011 3:09:00 PM (view original):
#62914 Status: - Closed Villanova, Tarkanian (8)
Date User
10/25/2008 10:06 AM jaisonline
hi,

i have general recruiting questions

is $10k worth of Campus Visits equal the same as $10k worth of Home Visits when it comes to recruiting kids?

what is more important in recruiting, coach prestige or distance? how does one calculate the estimated diff to overcome one over the other during a recruiting battle (e.g prestige diff)?


10/25/2008 4:41 PM Customer Support
Hi, the answer to question is yes, they're about the same. Both prestige and distance play a role in recruiting but there are no formulas, that I know of, that can be used to tell you exactly what you need to do.

I know what billyg will say here, because he's said it in the past and he's right -- you're reading far too much into this and coming away with a degree of certitude from what is really a very open-ended response ("they're about the same", and the rest is even more wishy-washy).

That said, it's also kind of a misleading response, the kind that reeks of Level I support inexperience/incompetence. But there have literally been scores of threads since then that have addressed campus vs. home, so I'm surprised that you'd still be laboring under that illusion created by a watered-down response from a few years ago.

It's definitely not about money spent, it's about effort. And all you have to do is look at the relative costs for HV and CV at various distances to understand what kind of impact using the recruiting tools correctly can have.

(Not to mention, from a common sense and gameplay perspective, if they were simply worth the same for the same amount of money spent, it literally wouldn't matter which one you used and there wouldn't even be a reason to offer both tools.)

" Both prestige and distance play a role in recruiting. "

That's pretty important distinction though, distance plays a role. If distance plays a role, which changes the cost of HV and CV, then it definitely cannot be money spent, meaning 10k of HV does not equal 10k of CV. 

For any newbies reading this thread - there is a huge amount of misinformation written here.  

The only thing you should pay any attention to is LM2's advice:

          What is the relative effort between home visits and campus visits. Do you think 8 HV = 3 CV or is it something else or is it variable? - reinsel

          It's not variable. I believe one campus visit is worth somewhere between 2.5-3 home visits.  -LM2

For a guy 10 miles from you, that fits with the Customer Support response given above - 10K HV = 10K CV.  Do the math yourself.

At any other distance, it isn't equal value.

Take that info as your baseline and do your own math to figure out the rest.