ML Pitch Calling Topic

afeigenb
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Just wondering if anyone has had ML success with a full-time, very low PC catcher, like one of those position players with 25 PC.
1/10/2011 9:59 AM
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Define "success"?

If you have an offense that scores 8 runs a game, you're going to be successful by default.  Does it matter if your pitching staff / defense is giving up 6 runs a game?
1/10/2011 10:54 AM
afeigenb
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OK I will rephrase. The past two seasons I've had a team ERA at or below 3 with a C that has 79 PC. If I use a C with say 25 PC, how big of an ERA impact should I expect.
1/10/2011 12:08 PM (edited)
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it will have an impact (not sure just how big though). the biggest thing is that  he will have a lot of Passed ball errors. I never use a catcher below 60 pitch calling.
1/10/2011 1:39 PM
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Posted by farren83 on 1/10/2011 1:39:00 PM (view original):
it will have an impact (not sure just how big though). the biggest thing is that  he will have a lot of Passed ball errors. I never use a catcher below 60 pitch calling.
PC has nothing to do with passed balls. 

I would assume that glove would have more to do with passed balls.  Since the glove recs for catchers (30) are lower than for any other position, I would also assume that using a non-catcher behind the plate would actually have a noticeable decrease on the number of passed balls.
1/10/2011 1:43 PM
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Posted by tecwrg on 1/10/2011 1:43:00 PM (view original):
Posted by farren83 on 1/10/2011 1:39:00 PM (view original):
it will have an impact (not sure just how big though). the biggest thing is that  he will have a lot of Passed ball errors. I never use a catcher below 60 pitch calling.
PC has nothing to do with passed balls. 

I would assume that glove would have more to do with passed balls.  Since the glove recs for catchers (30) are lower than for any other position, I would also assume that using a non-catcher behind the plate would actually have a noticeable decrease on the number of passed balls.
Has anyone actually tried this, the say a LF w/a 64 glove and maybe a 19 PC rating at C?  
1/10/2011 2:59 PM
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My understanding is that I catcher with a good PC will be beneficial with pitchers that have a 91 - 76 - 31- 23 pitch arsenal.   Adversely, poor PC's may call all 4 of those pitches equally.
1/11/2011 7:34 PM
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Why is that your understanding?  Mine was that high PC worked as a general ERA dampener and didn't impact pitcher archtypes much differently.
1/12/2011 10:50 AM
shobob
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Actually, from my observations, I think range goes into passed ball frequency as well.
1/12/2011 11:10 AM
tecwrg
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Posted by seattleace on 1/11/2011 7:34:00 PM (view original):
My understanding is that I catcher with a good PC will be beneficial with pitchers that have a 91 - 76 - 31- 23 pitch arsenal.   Adversely, poor PC's may call all 4 of those pitches equally.
Incorrect.  Individual pitches are not thrown when resolving an AB.  Catcher's PC is just an overall modifier in the formula to resolve an AB, with higher PC tending towards allowing fewer hits.
1/12/2011 11:11 AM
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Posted by tecwrg on 1/12/2011 11:11:00 AM (view original):
Posted by seattleace on 1/11/2011 7:34:00 PM (view original):
My understanding is that I catcher with a good PC will be beneficial with pitchers that have a 91 - 76 - 31- 23 pitch arsenal.   Adversely, poor PC's may call all 4 of those pitches equally.
Incorrect.  Individual pitches are not thrown when resolving an AB.  Catcher's PC is just an overall modifier in the formula to resolve an AB, with higher PC tending towards allowing fewer hits.
Where's your info from, tec?  My understanding was pretty much the same as seattleace's, and my anecdotal evidence indicates that pitchers with a few great pitches and a few ****** ones pitch significantly better, on average, with a high PC carcher and a pitcher with relatively uniform pitches doesn't see much difference from C to C.
1/12/2011 11:19 AM
tecwrg
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This has been stated multiple times by ADMIN.  Go check back in the Dev Chats if you wish.
1/12/2011 12:07 PM
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Jan 09 dev chat


Does a catcher's pitch calling affect anything other than OAV? Does it affect how many pitches a pitcher throws per inning? (sweetsalve - Hall of Famer - 1:11 PM)
No, it only affects OAV.
1/12/2011 12:21 PM
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Didn't know that or read that when it was posted. I've had just as much success with low pc catchers as high pc catchers. As long as I didn't have pitchers with really bad pitches it didn't seem to affect anything. Actually, my low pc catchers usually have better pitchers era than the high pc catchers.

1/12/2011 1:25 PM
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Hardball Dynasty – Fantasy Baseball Sim Games - Player Profile: Walt Dorsey

27 innings at C to rest my guys(2 starts when injury/fatigue was an issue).    No PB but no CS.   CERA over 7.
1/12/2011 3:42 PM
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