I'm too lazy to create a double ID just to post this anonymously, so I'm just gonna ask it. If any coach in D2 wants to poach, I guess that's just the way it is; it will also give me a good idea who to look for in the future.

Here are the two guys:

Player 1:

	Current Rating	Potential			Current Rating	Potential
Athleticism	53	Low		Perimeter	38	High
Speed	63	High		Ball Handling	57	High
Rebounding	12	Low		Passing	31	High
Defense	35	High		Stamina	76	Average
Shot Blocking	14	Low		Durability	34	Average
Low-post	12	High		FT Shooting		Average

Player 2:

	Current Rating	Potential			Current Rating	Potential
Athleticism	72	Average		Perimeter	25	Average
Speed	47	High		Ball Handling	31	Low
Rebounding	17	High		Passing	49	High
Defense	61	High		Stamina	53	High
Shot Blocking	14	High		Durability	36	High
Low-post	14	High		FT Shooting		Average

Irregardless of position, who's better. I have a SR PG and a SR SF graduating, so I need to replace one this yr and one the following year, so I don't have any specific position needs. Who's better purely in terms of value and which recruit is "rarer (harder to find a similar replacement)."

Irregardless isn't a (grammatically correct) word, don't use it.

I think player 1 is quite a bit more valuable - player 2 would be a SF, but I don't think he'd be that good (maybe a defensive stopper that gets some putbacks?)... if nothing else, you could find a similar player year in, year out without looking too hard.  Plus his stamina is awful, so unless that's high-high, he's going to struggle with solid minutes.

Player 1 has highs in all the right places for a SG - if those are high-highs for the most part, then he'll be good, especially if his WE is high and you're giving him minutes early.  It's hard to find a guard with high's in speed/def/per/bh/p in D2, plus the LP would help quite a bit too.  I'd take #1 all day long if it were my team.

Fair enough, what I meant to say is regardless of position. 

My only attraction to #2 is the potential for 80+ ath, 80+ spd (if spd is high-high), with tremendous defense and the ability to grab boards at the 2 and 3 position. 

I guess it depends on what you see as your team needs.  If you need a lot of minutes now you have to take #1 because of the stamina.  If you're going to give them time to develop then you generally take #2 if you need more help defensively and #1 if you think your team needs are primarily offensive.  The BH vs. Pass tradeoff further cements that - if  the rest of your offense is going to be good I might prefer #2 because he's going to be such a dominant defender with that Ath/Spd/Def combo.  And the passing will help other guys score, but #2 will probably never be a double-digit scorer with that BH/LP/Per.  I'd probably lean towards #2, but if I knew I was going to need some scoring I'd go for #1.  How many openings do you have?  If you know you're recruiting another scorer get #2, if not maybe #1...

Posted by dahsdebater on 4/19/2011 2:56:00 PM (view original):
I guess it depends on what you see as your team needs.  If you need a lot of minutes now you have to take #1 because of the stamina.  If you're going to give them time to develop then you generally take #2 if you need more help defensively and #1 if you think your team needs are primarily offensive.  The BH vs. Pass tradeoff further cements that - if  the rest of your offense is going to be good I might prefer #2 because he's going to be such a dominant defender with that Ath/Spd/Def combo.  And the passing will help other guys score, but #2 will probably never be a double-digit scorer with that BH/LP/Per.  I'd probably lean towards #2, but if I knew I was going to need some scoring I'd go for #1.  How many openings do you have?  If you know you're recruiting another scorer get #2, if not maybe #1...

Almost my exact thoughts. #2 would be my choice. I'd try to redshirt either one of these guys if I could. #2 will never get a lot of distro but he will effect your team positively in more ways than #1 will. If you have 2-3 other scoring options I would definitely go with #2. What are the work ethics for each of these guys? High-highs or low-highs? 

Posted by jmlamb on 4/19/2011 3:19:00 PM (view original):
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I'd still take #1.  Not like I don't know what I'm doing at D2, so thanks for the valuable input, douchebag.

You can make an argument for #2 - if you want a defensive stopper, go for it.  But I think an athletic defensive stopper comes along more often than a SG with high in SP/DEF/PER/BH/P.  If it were my ENM team, I'd take #1 all day long.  Louis Goodman started out with ratings very similar to #1, a bit worse in ath/def, a little better in spd/bh/p), and I'd say he's turned into a pretty good player for me.

#1 has a higher ceiling, lower floor (depending on the level of the high's).  Know what you're getting with #2 - he isn't going to amaze you, but he'll shut down the other team's top scorer most of the time I'm sure.

Goodman: whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx

Posted by ryrun on 4/19/2011 3:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jmlamb on 4/19/2011 3:19:00 PM (view original):
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I'd still take #1.  Not like I don't know what I'm doing at D2, so thanks for the valuable input, douchebag.

You can make an argument for #2 - if you want a defensive stopper, go for it.  But I think an athletic defensive stopper comes along more often than a SG with high in SP/DEF/PER/BH/P.  If it were my ENM team, I'd take #1 all day long.  Louis Goodman started out with ratings very similar to #1, a bit worse in ath/def, a little better in spd/bh/p), and I'd say he's turned into a pretty good player for me.

#1 has a higher ceiling, lower floor (depending on the level of the high's).  Know what you're getting with #2 - he isn't going to amaze you, but he'll shut down the other team's top scorer most of the time I'm sure.

Goodman: whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx

You raise a good argument, but without knowing #1's WE, I think it's a stretch to say the passing and perim will hit 85-90 like your guy did. Goodman probably gets into foul trouble against athletic guards as well. 

Now that I think of it, that guy looks a lot like this guy I recruited in Tark. If he turns out to be anywhere near David Stephen, you've got yourself a fine division 2 guard. Probably lean #1 actually. Real close though. I did get a redshirt on him though which definitely helped. 


http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=0&pid=1721785

Posted by wsut on 4/19/2011 3:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ryrun on 4/19/2011 3:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jmlamb on 4/19/2011 3:19:00 PM (view original):
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I'd still take #1.  Not like I don't know what I'm doing at D2, so thanks for the valuable input, douchebag.

You can make an argument for #2 - if you want a defensive stopper, go for it.  But I think an athletic defensive stopper comes along more often than a SG with high in SP/DEF/PER/BH/P.  If it were my ENM team, I'd take #1 all day long.  Louis Goodman started out with ratings very similar to #1, a bit worse in ath/def, a little better in spd/bh/p), and I'd say he's turned into a pretty good player for me.

#1 has a higher ceiling, lower floor (depending on the level of the high's).  Know what you're getting with #2 - he isn't going to amaze you, but he'll shut down the other team's top scorer most of the time I'm sure.

Goodman: whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx

You raise a good argument, but without knowing #1's WE, I think it's a stretch to say the passing and perim will hit 85-90 like your guy did. Goodman probably gets into foul trouble against athletic guards as well. 

That's why I said he has a higher ceiling, lower floor.

#1 WE = 53, #2 = 73. 

Here is Stephen's FSS, he started at 52 work ethic

http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/6554/stephenp.png

Sure, if you get #1 to end up looking like either of those guards you guys posted he'll be a stud.  But that would be counting on HUGE improvements in Per and passing.  Is that out of the question?  Obviously not.  But if he only grows 21-25 in each of those categories he's not even an exceptional offensive player and doesn't have player 2's defensive studliness to fall back on.  You KNOW player #1 will be a decent scorer with the possibility of becoming a great offensive player who will also play perfectly adequate defense.  You KNOW #2 will be a great defender with the possibility of becoming one of the elite defenders in D2 and with the ability to contribute a few points along with excellent passing and rebounding.  I guess I can see the argument about player #1's ceiling being higher, but I think I'd rather gamble on #2.  Not to mention he has more high potentials and fewer lows, so he has more chances to have things that are high-high.

Went with #1. Spent some money scouting and #1 is high high in def, lp, per, passing. SVs did not cover spd or bh, so fingers crossed on those being high high as well.

SVs on #2 only covered his spd (low high) and lp (high - high).

I think #1 projects out higher given the available data, although if #2 is high high in reb and passing, then he should be better. 

I guess that's probably the right call given that data...  That is a fairly high known amount of high-highs.  Plus two of them are LP and Per, and we all know how those seem to skyrocket...