Can you guys help me understand in quantifiable terms what the pull settings mean?  When I set it to 5, it seems like my guys get yanked when they allow a single baserunner. However, in a game that just happened, I had my Long A pull setting on 4. He entered a 3-3 tie game in the 9th and promptly gave up a leadoff double, followed by a walk, followed by a RBI single to lose the game while my Long B sat in the bullpen twiddling his thumbs. So 0.0 IP/2 H/1 BB/ 1 ER and a big ol' L.

The dilemma is: I don't want to set my Long A to pull 5 and have him enter in the 7th and walk the #8 hitter and get pulled. 

Any help is appreciated.

It probably is related to your Inning Available setting.

I set my relievers low, like a 2, on the Pull setting.  I don't want to run through multiple relievers in a game if I can avoid it.  I'd rather take my chances in today's game than mess with my expected usage overall.

I almost always set my pulls very low, but then again I almost always draft very good pitchers.  But in general, my pull settings are just about how good a pitcher is.

Posted by zubinsum on 5/3/2011 11:19:00 PM (view original):
I almost always set my pulls very low, but then again I almost always draft very good pitchers.  But in general, my pull settings are just about how good a pitcher is.

I appreciate the help, but to clarify, I'm not asking where folks set their pull levels.  

Maybe I can clarify my question: I'm wondering if anybody knows how many baserunners or runs (or whatever other quantifiable measure) triggers a pull at a given setting, specifically Pull Setting 4.  It's not a huge issue, but there has so much analysis of the minutiae of SLB I wondered if anyone had looked at this.

I think it depends on how close he is to his pitch count. If he's near his PC he gets pulled quicker, if he's a long way off he gets more slack. also depends on game situation, fatigue, who is available in the bullpen, and who is batting. There are a number of factors.

Posted by rbow923 on 5/4/2011 12:44:00 AM (view original):
I think it depends on how close he is to his pitch count. If he's near his PC he gets pulled quicker, if he's a long way off he gets more slack. also depends on game situation, fatigue, who is available in the bullpen, and who is batting. There are a number of factors.

Doesn't it depend on the lead (or lack thereof)?

Posted by zubinsum on 5/3/2011 11:19:00 PM (view original):
I almost always set my pulls very low, but then again I almost always draft very good pitchers.  But in general, my pull settings are just about how good a pitcher is.

I am the opposite.   I often use very bad pitchers so I have experimented with the "5" setting a lot.

I don't know if there is a specific formula but I have found  guys with a 5 get pulled as quickly as two consecutive hits IF there are lots of guys available in the bullpen.

If you use 1, they more or less make it to there target PC.   I have found 2's usually make it to their PC as well, I often have guys give up like 7 runs in 4 innings with a 2.

I honestly don't use 3's and 4 much because I don't understand how it works.  

I do think that the Pull Setting only matters if people are available in your pen.   If there aren't other options, Sparky leaves the last pitcher in to this MAX PC.

You ask a good question for which there is not, to my knowledge, a well-defined answer.  I can't tell you quantitatively the difference between a 2 and a 3 pull setting. 

But the point TJ just made is very important: "Pull Setting only matters if people are available in your pen.   If there aren't other options, Sparky leaves the last pitcher in to this MAX PC."

I wrote a long post a while back on how Sparky uses his bullpen, and this is one of the key conclusions.  And is a source of confusion and frustration and misunderstanding for many owners.  If you don't have another reliever who is rested and set to be available in (say) the 6th inning, then no matter how badly your current reliever is getting hit in the 6th inning, he'll stay in the game until he hits his max PC.  Regardless of his pull setting.

Just as rbow said, there are various factors that come into play when Sparky is contemplating a change in relief pitchers. The basics of it is that the higher the pull setting the quicker the pitcher will be yanked if he runs into trouble, while the lower the setting, Sparky will give the pitcher a little more leeway before yanking him.  The only guys I place a pull setting of 5 on are AAA pitchers and long inning-eater types who are average pitchers at best.  However, I generally have very good middle and late inning bullpen guys who are always set a 1 no matter what.

In my experience, a pitcher with a 5 pull setting will be yanked when he allows a batter to reach scoring position by any means other than an error.  A pitcher with a 4 pull setting will be yanked when he allows one run to score.  That's the simpliest way that I can explain it in quantifiable terms. 

However, there are many, many factors that can squash what I just said.  And those factors have pretty much already been mentioned (the score of the game, the inning you are in, other pitchers that are available, what roles you have available pitchers in, etc.).

 

I can't post anymore but the three boxscores I checked for Silva, he pitches until a run scores.   There might be a difference for starters and relievers.