217 FTA from the 2 spot Topic

fd343ny
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Over his career, I've used this guy at the 2 and the 3.  This season, he started and played only at the 2, set on minus 2.  Worked down low most of the time, baseline, driving etc etc - Kansas in Crum - first team All American (at the 3) and all conference

Name Yr. Pos. A SPD REB DE BLK LP PE BH P WE ST DU FT TOT
Fred Moore Sr. SF 94 77 78 99 61 99 36 76 85 88 85 54 B- 932
6/28/2011 8:17 AM (edited)
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Yr. GP GS MIN FG% FG3% FT% OREB REB AST TO STL BLK PF PTS
46 31 31 24.8 .528 .000 .650 1.5 4.8 2.9 1.9 1.0 0.2 1.3 16.3
45 32 32 24.6 .532 .167 .758 1.8 5.1 2.4 1.8 0.9 0.1 1.7 14.3
44 31 0 17.3 .553 .500 .714 1.4 3.3 2.1 0.8 0.5 0.2 0.6 7.5
43 32 0 11.4 .605 .143 .818 0.7 2.2 0.9 0.4 0.3 0.2 1.0 2.5
Averages       .537 .280 .706 1.3 3.8 2.1 1.2 0.7 0.2 1.2 10.1


Yr. GP GS MIN FGM FGA FG3M FG3A FTM FTA OFF REB AST TO STL BLK PF PTS
46 31 31 768 182 345 0 1 141 217 46 150 89 59 30 5 41 505
45 32 32 786 168 316 4 24 116 153 59 162 76 59 29 3 54 456
44 31 0 536 84 152 9 18 55 77 43 103 65 25 16 6 20 232
43 32 0 366 26 43 1 7 27 33 21 69 29 13 8 5 32 80
Totals 126 63 2456 460 856 14 50 339 480 169 484 259 156 83 19 147 1273
6/28/2011 8:13 AM
fd343ny
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In general, bigs draw more fouls - but this guy - I think - tied for the lead this season overall in DI - I dont know a way to search for that, but he was tied with one other guy among top 25 scorers

6/28/2011 8:13 AM
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The real Kansas team could use him this year :)


6/28/2011 9:27 AM
tianyi7886
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Guards with tremendous ath/spd at-2  will draw more fouls than bigs. That's from my personal experience. 
6/28/2011 12:48 PM
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it's the -2 more than anything that's getting him to the line imo.  94/77 is pretty good ath/sp, but at the elite level this really isn't truly elite ath/sp.  And the sim's logic really doesn't determine if this is a guard or forward, but a -2 is a -2, and given his IQ, he simply drew a lot of fouls.
6/28/2011 1:53 PM
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I think it's the 99 LP from the 2 spot gets him to the line a lot and is responsible for his success.
6/28/2011 2:09 PM
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I agree with you both.  I had to put him at a minus setting because he kept on missing 3 pointers.  I found that the minus two, combined with his 99 LP made him very successful.  Once he's posting up, I think - but dont know - his 94 ATH becomes a key factor and his SPD - which is strong for a 3 butu ordinary at best for a SG - helps out.

 I think he could be fine at the 2 or the 3, but I had another senior SF who deserved to start so he spent the season at the 2.

That plus an IQ at A+ for all or most of his senior season.....I only wish I could have boosted his FT%
6/28/2011 2:48 PM
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I am going to try the same strategy with a player I have who has some things in common.   So I am interested, and not trying to burst your bubble, but using the simple efficiency formula of tot pts / (fga + .5* fta) nets him a 505 / 453 or just a little over 110% efficiency which is not real good for a SG, SF or PF star

I have a near identical player I am playing as a -1 PF for the past two seasons -  have to think about it - lots more options in the game than the 'good old' days that is for sure.

http://whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=4475&pid=1803491

Yr. GP GS MIN FG% FG3% FT% OREB REB AST TO STL BLK PF PTS
52 15 15 22.0 .527 .333 .857 1.7 5.3 1.6 1.3 0.9 0.9 1.0 11.9
51 32 0 21.5 .533 .316 .845 1.0 3.5 1.8 1.1 0.7 0.5 1.3 9.7
50 31 31 22.6 .479 .280 .877 1.3 4.3 1.6 0.8 0.9 0.6 2.3 5.5
Averages       .517 .308 .856 1.2 4.2 1.7 1.0 0.8 0.6 1.6 8.5


Yr. GP GS MIN FGM FGA FG3M FG3A FTM FTA OFF REB AST TO STL BLK PF PTS
52 15 15 330 69 131 5 15 36 42 25 80 24 19 14 14 15 179
51 32 0 687 106 199 12 38 87 103 33 111 58 34 23 16 42 311
50 31 31 702 57 119 7 25 50 57 39 134 50 26 27 19 71 171
Totals 78 46 1719 232 449 24 78 173 202 97 325 132 79 64 49 128 661

6/28/2011 4:12 PM (edited)
fd343ny
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fair point - but I'm actually okay with that result.  he was double teamed some and at times I gave him a smidge more distro than I think optimal......getting those fouls at times distorted opponents rotations in helpful ways.  I would prefer to have used him at SF - but the rest of the roster led him to SG
6/28/2011 4:23 PM
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Well this guy is only shooting 65% from the line, which is why he's not very efficient. I use the same efficiency formula, but with .44fta instead of .5 because driving to the lane can lead to a 3 point play (shot made, fouled, ft made). pts/(fga + .44fta) is the standard efficiency formula used by alot of sports statisticians. 

Ofc, in HD, the most efficient shooters are the ones with 99 per, as opposed to 99 lp. 99per guys can shoot .500+ at d3 from beyond the arc, which is kind of hard to match for anyone not shooting 3s. 
6/28/2011 5:25 PM (edited)
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Interesting example of FT % fluctuation.  This guy was fouled enough that the sample size is large.  I do not tend to track FT % closely, because I know that I cannot do anything about it after I finish recruiting, but seems odd to me that he has such variability.

compare him for example to OR's guy
6/28/2011 5:44 PM
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I have a PG at D3 that I have been player at the 3 spot.  He is averaging 13.44 FTA's a game and is on pace to get over 400 FTA's this season if we dont get upset in conference tourney.

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6/29/2011 6:15 AM
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Posted by dinger34 on 6/29/2011 6:15:00 AM (view original):
I have a PG at D3 that I have been player at the 3 spot.  He is averaging 13.44 FTA's a game and is on pace to get over 400 FTA's this season if we dont get upset in conference tourney.

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Thats sick. Crazy fg% to go with the fts, nice!
6/29/2011 9:57 AM
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Posted by tianyi7886 on 6/28/2011 5:25:00 PM (view original):
Well this guy is only shooting 65% from the line, which is why he's not very efficient. I use the same efficiency formula, but with .44fta instead of .5 because driving to the lane can lead to a 3 point play (shot made, fouled, ft made). pts/(fga + .44fta) is the standard efficiency formula used by alot of sports statisticians. 

Ofc, in HD, the most efficient shooters are the ones with 99 per, as opposed to 99 lp. 99per guys can shoot .500+ at d3 from beyond the arc, which is kind of hard to match for anyone not shooting 3s. 
tian - I know the formula, but I use .5 because I can do it in my head - quickly when looking at a bunch of data - but .44 is correct, there literally are hundreds of efficiency formula's out there.  Indeed, the ft% is an issue with this player in ?, but that is sort of my point, a player who merits all those touches & 16 ppg playing SG should probably be better than 110%.  That being said, it is an interesting theory, I am sure others will test / refine it - I certainly am going to look some at the strategy.
6/29/2011 11:25 AM
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