Team Building Process - After the fact comments Topic

Let's use this thread to discuss our thought processes, strategies, etc. with respect to how we decided on our teams.

8/2/2011 11:28 AM
70 M - Went with the best hitting team in the year of the pitcher.  1968 Cincinatti Reds.  At the low cap I hope I can get away with the pitching degradation but take advantage of the hitting bump.
80 M -  Hopefully the combination of the good 1990 defense and the good 1900 pitching will give me good balance.  At the 80 mil cap missed most of the studs from those eras anyway so we will see if the second tier guys will come through.  No saves recorded on my relievers gives me worry though.
90 M - Went with a bunch of guys with 300 - 500 ABs to get both good defense and BA at an affordable price.  Need to mix and match my lineups.
100 M - Went with Joss(super pitcher with friends of questionable ability), Spahn's best year and A/A shortstop and Mathews great hitting year, Carpenter (who has always done well with me) and Pujolis's bat and Molina's glove, and Perez for a tag along bullpen.  Hopefully I got a good balance.
110 M - Don Baylor has a lot of talented friends even though his 1988 year I used stunk.  Using 1971, I picked up Frank Robinson in addition to the Orioles staff. (I am spitting in the face of Karma as the Orioles have never performed for me).  I am counteracting that with my success of using the A's.  Picking up Eck, Steinbach, Dave Parker, and Tony Phillips should give the team good balance.
120 Mil - Went with the low end of each group (.300 rather than .340, .350 instead of .390) to save more money for pitching and defense.  I also went with high strikeout pitchers hoping for less balls in play. 

I am sounding like Phil Jackson (the zen master) going for balance.  I rolled the dice to try and find an advantage within 3 themes by going for pitching in the hitting theme, hitting in the pitching theme, and going for a hitting team in the 1968 year of the pitcher. Then just going for overall balance in the other three themes grabbing a stud whereever possible.
8/2/2011 11:53 AM

$70mil – 2010 Mariners

For this theme, my primary focus was Mariners and Padres teams of the last 10-15 years. The reason being that a) they had some poor teams with solid players, which gave me options/flexibility for filling out the $35mil. As well, I wanted to use Petco or Safeco to minimize IP and AB, thus allowing me to get more quality.  I looked at the ’98 Padres (with Brown anchoring the rotation) and the ’07 Padres with Peavy, but eventually settled on the 2010 Mariners. Hernandez and Lee, with their low walk totals, should do really well in Safeco, and Vargas and Fister provided cheap options for filling out the rotation. I eventually dumped Ichiro because I decided I didn’t need to pay for 700+ PA in this league. Eventually ended up with a solid roster that includes Zobrist, Tulo, Utley and Molina, and Koji, League, Street, Aardsma and a partial Dan Haren in the bullpen.

$80mil – 1910s and 1980s. 

I decided to go with a team based on OBP and SB, with a little pop. I decided to go with deadball pitching to minimize HR, and then took Shea Stadium as a pitcher’s park to help them out. I’ll probably give up my fair share of singles, but low walks, and the strength of my offense should offset that. I have almost 700 BB in my lineup, along with 270 SB (vs. 60 CS).  I’m not sure how confident I am given how these leagues usually turn out, but this was the easiest team for me to make and the one I put the least thought into. I think it’s a solid strategy that should at least keep me competitive.

$90mil

This is another theme I tried not to overthink, as I suspected many rosters would be similar in content. I focused on a mix of attributes in my lineup, with a couple 100+ walk guys, two with 30+ HR, some good SB numbers and solid averages. I didn’t really have a defensive strategy (ie: range over defense, or vice versa) because again, there wasn’t much fluctuation. For pitching I focused on guys with low walk totals (Saberhagen, Bonham, Tewksbury, Pedro), and again went with a pitcher’s park, this time the Oakland Coliseum. I even splurged on Milacki for my pen, for those tough games in-season and (hopefully) the playoffs.

$100mil – ’61 Whitey Ford, ’75 Gary Nolan, ’76 Vida Blue, ’98 Kevin Brown

When I started this them, my goal was to find two really good starters, and two average starters with great teammates. I took a few tries, but I think I ended up with a good balance. I was set on Blue early on because he has a good season in ’76, and also offered me cheap and defensively solid options at 3B and SS with Bando and Campenaris. Bando has some pop and Campy has decent walk and SB totals. I also took Bosman for long relief. Brown is my other stud, and I went with 50 HR Greg Vaughn, utility man Andy Sheets, and relievers Carlos Reyes and Trevor Hoffman as his teammates. I wanted some good Yankee options on offense, which brought Ford into the mix. His ’61 season is solid and he brings teammates Mantle, Maris and Elston Howard into the fold, along with good slugging Johnny Blanchard to back up at C. Lastly, I ended up with Nolan because his teammates filled the gaps for me. He doesn’t have bad numbers, but the fact that he came with a very good Joe Morgan, a cheap 1B option in Tony Perez, backup 1B Dan Driessen and reliever Rawley Eastwick sealed the deal. With 250+ HR and nearly 800 walks, I decided to go with the Murph as my stadium to help my pitching. My bullpen between the starters and Hoffman is the biggest question mark.

$110mil – Roger Clemens, 1986 and 2000

This one gave me fits. I initially started with Russell Branyan and was very pleased to have Cliff Lee, Felix, Gooden and Hershiser, until I realized that I’d been working with two different seasons of the Indians and Hershiser and Gooden never played together. I tinkered with many lineups, trying to find the best pitching rotation possible and go from there. I finally ended up with ’86/’00 Clemens, and teammates Seaver, Gooden and Cone. I relied heavily on the 2000 Yankees in making up this team, with Jeter, Tino, Canseco, Bernie, Posada, Justice, Lilly, Nelson and Rivera. Rice, Barrett, Boggs and Sambito are my main Red Sox contributors. I’m confident in my team, but I may have screwed myself a bit. I built this team around Yankee Stadium II, thinking I could use either of Clemens stadiums. As I re-read the rules, I discovered I had to take the stadium of the year I chose, and since I took ’86, I had to use Fenway. I made a last minute swap to add a few more innings, but hopefully I have enough IP and AB to go around without serious fatigue issues.

$120mil

This team gave me fits and took me the longest to enter. I wanted to find a way to spend $60mil on pitching, but I also wanted a) enough IP and b) quality innings. I figured others would build huge offenses and take the best pitching they could for what they had left, so I did the opposite. I met the requirements with the bare minimum I could. I tried to find .350 and .400 hitters as close to 500PA as possible, and then supplement them with cheap .300 hitters to fill out my PA. I ended up with a lineup up of Sisler, Carew, Boggs, Ozzie, Thompson, Manny, Delahanty, Gwynn and Kendall.

This allowed me to have a rotation of ’17 Cicotte, ’72 Perry and 04 ‘McGinnity, who will be my 3rd starter, but who’s 400+ innings provide a ton of insurance. I have ’89 Nolan Ryan as my long man, and perhaps a spot starter against teams with few walks. With the BA requirements, I have a feeling there will be more than a few teams with low walk totals, so Ryan should be able to handle them fairly well. By “skimping” a bit on offense, I also was able to severely bolster my bullpen, which I remember after last year is hugely important in high cap themes. I have ’18 Carmen Hill, ’10 Uehara, ’10 Wagner and ’10 Mariano Rivera at the back end of my pen, and 1,700 IP in total. If nothing else, I should not have any fatigue issues. Hopefully that will make the difference come season’s end. I went with American League Park I (2,0,0,0,0) to get as close to neutral as possible within the theme rules.

 

8/2/2011 12:17 PM (edited)

Team Building Process

70M
"My 2006 Halladay in LA"

Total IP: 1348 (1290 good innings)
Total PA: 5245 (including backups)

When I first started building this team, I wanted to find lots of SBs. I rarely play at caps below 80M. The only way I know how to win is to grab high% SB guys because these guys still seem undervalued. So I started searching through the years trying to find a year with as many high% 50+ SB guys as possible. I ended up finding 1987 (with V.Coleman, W.Wilson, B.Hatcher). I tried the KC Royals as my anchor team, as they had an entire starting staff already in place so I could cherry pick the hitters I wanted. Unfortunately, I just couldn’t stomach the pathetic quality of their pitching. In fact, I tried but couldn’t find any teams I liked from 1987. I also tried some other years in the mid 1980’s but couldn’t make any of them work. Back to the drawing board.

Instead, I decided to search for bargain starting pitchers… solid 200-ip guys with relatively low salaries. I wanted to stay in the modern era. I found 2006 with Halladay, Maddux, Lowe and Wang… almost 870 decent IPs for only $21 million. I decided to investigate this further. Since the 2006 Dodgers had both Maddux & Lowe, that’s the team I selected. The problem with LA is that most of their position players have < 600 PA. Even the position players I wanted to add (Vidro & Punto), were under 600. But I was able to find a reasonable backup/platoon partner for each of them. That also means I didn’t waste dollars on a bunch of 200K scrubs. So my lineup looks like this (Dodgers highlighted in Blue).

C: R.Martin / Ianetta / Hall
1B: Youkalis
2B: Vidro / K.Matsui
3B: Punto / Izturis
SS: Furcal
OF: Drew / Hinske
OF: Lofton / Quentin
OF: Garciaparra / Quentin

Hitting stat line (including all backups)
5245 PA, .290 AVG, .365 OBP, .438 SLG, $38.1 million



Pitching (excluding <300K)
SP: Halladay, Maddux, Lowe, Wang, Hendrickson
RP: A.Sanchez, League, Harden, Villanueva

1290 IP, 3.64 ERA, .255 OAV, 1.23 WHIP, 0.75 HR/9, $31.4 million



80M
"A Century Apart (1800s H, 1990s P)"


Total IP: 1335 (1227 good innings)
Total PA: 5497 (excluding backups)

The following strategy is something I've tried in the past.  Because the era of your hitters and your opponents' pitchers has a direct effect on opponent errors, I believe that if you draft position players from the 1800's and put them behind modern-day pitchers, these fielders won't commit as many errors as they did in real life, thus making them better values than their salary would indicate.  At the same time, I expect many will select pitchers from the 1900's or 1910's which will further increase the errors my opponents commit.  Also, I like to take advantage of the A+++ range that many of these 1800's fielders have.  So that's what I did.  My roster contains a bunch of C/A+ or D/A+ hitters from the 1880's and 1890's.  My pitching staff is from the 1990's. The starting rotation is K.Brown, Glavine, Candiotti and D.Martinez.  The bullion is Wakefield, Cone, Isringhausen and Helling.

I'm playing in the Astrodome, so it will be hard to score runs against this team, despite the seemingly mediocre pitching.  Hopefully, my hitting will be good enough to score enough runs to win.

Hitting stat line (excluding <300K players)
5497 PA, .297 AVG, .370 OBP, .414 SLG, C-/A+ fielding, $42.1 million


Pitching stat line (excluding <300K)
1227 IP, 2.55 ERA, .231 OAV, 1.17 WHIP, 0.43 HR/9, $36.0 million


90M
"Doubly Fast"


Total IP: 1354 (1248 good innings)
Total PA: 5140 (excluding backups)


I really have no clue what the right strategy is in this theme.  I decided to target players with lots of steals, doubles and/or triples.  I also shorted myself a bit on innings drafting only 1250 good innings.  The offenses aren't going to be that good in this theme so I want to manufacture runs any way I can, so I have Pettis, W.Wilson and R.LeFlore in the outfield.  Infielders O.Hudson, Polanco & J.Rollins average 35 doubles and 7 triples.  I grabbed Jiggs Donahue at 1B because he might get 30 "+" plays.  And of course, Gary Carter just in case other teams are SB-heavy.


The pitching staff is a little different.  Instead of trying to get four equally good guys, I went strong and weak.  '95 Maddux, '53 Spahn, '93 Appier and '06 Wang.  Yep, that's two teams already with Chien-Ming Wang… yikes!  The bullpen consists of your typical mid-cap cookies… Dean, Miljus, D.Alexander, Milacki, plus a bunch of mopup guys.

Plus, I'm playing in Municipal Stadium (+1, +3, +3, -4, -4) in order to maximize the doubles and triples on my team.

Hitting stat line (excluding <300K players)
5140 PA, .288 AVG, .349 OBP, .406 SLG, B+/A fielding, $43.8 million


Pitching stat line (excluding <300K)
1248 IP, 2.29 ERA, .222 OAV, 1.05 WHIP, 0.36 HR/9, $44.1 million (over $45M with mopup)



100M
"Lefty, Freddie, Pedro & 3-Finger"

Total IP: 1412 (1332 good innings)
Total PA: 5327

I started trying to fit '00 Pedro with either '94 or '95 Maddux, but I didn't like either Atlanta team as far as teammates go.  Plus I couldn't quite get the '00 Red Sox team to work   I then downgraded to '02 Pedro because Nomar was still good and Manny has a nice .349/.450/.647 season ($1.6M Cliff Floyd to platoon with Manny).  Since the '02 Pedro has only 200 IPs, I knew I was going to need a big inning choice.  I grabbed 1906 Three Finger Brown next and his very nice teammates of 1B Frank Chance and 3B Harry Steinfeldt.  Jimmy Sheckard filled my 3rd teammate slot.  I still needed a starting C, 2B and OF, so I searched for a good SP with those teammate choices.  Bingo, 1931 Lefty Grove with Mickey Cochrane (.349, .423, .553), Max Bishop (.426 obp) and Al Simmons (.390, .444, .641).  Now, I had my offense set.  But I needed a bullpen.  I went with the obvious choice and what will probably be a very common selection, the 2001 Mariners.  Freddie Garcia brings along Pineiro, Sasaki, Charlton and Rhodes.  I don't have a ton of RP innings, but I'm well over 1000 starting IPs, so I'll have to manage the innings wisely.

Hitting stat line (excluding <300K players)
5327 PA, .321 AVG, .400 OBP, .493 SLG, B/B- fielding, $51.4 million

Pitching stat line (excluding <300K)
1382 IP, 2.18 ERA, .212 OAV, 1.01 WHIP, 0.41 HR/9, $47.2 million



110M

"Peckinpaugh 10/20"

Total IP: 1564 (1456 good innings)
Total PA: 5305

I looked at a couple of Maddux / Pedro combinations, but at 110M cap, I decided that there just wasn't enough offense (that didn't involve HRs) in the modern era for a 110M cap.  I wanted to get Babe Ruth along with some solid deadball pitching.  That's when I found Roger Peckinpaugh, who had a cup of coffee with the 1910 Indians (Addie Joss, Cy Young, Nap Lajoie, Joe Jackson).  Bingo!  The rest was merely a formality.  Although '21 Peckingpaugh is better than the 1920 version, the latter offered me Ernie Shore, who will be the main bullpen guy.  Cy Falkenberg (400 IP), Carl Mays, Jack Quinn and George Mogridge rounds out the 7-man pitching staff.  Despite the era, I have surprisingly good defense with Pipp (B/A+), Lajoie (C/A+) and A.Ward (A/A+) in the infield.  This is my favorite team of the six. 

Hitting stat line (excluding <300K players)
5305 PA, .334 AVG, .411 OBP, .515 SLG, B-/B fielding, $58.7 million

Pitching stat line (excluding <300K)
1456 IP, 1.67 ERA, .215 OAV, 0.97 WHIP, 0.07 HR/9, $49.2 million


120M
"Ty, Shoeless & Babe"

Total IP: 1520 (1431 good innings)
Total PA: 5851

This team took me the longest to build.  I had the cap at 130M, originally, but thought it would be too easy to get everybody you wanted, so I made it 120M.  Now it seems really tough.  I know that certain positions are limited as far as .400 hitters go (or even .350 hitters).  I knew I would have two .400-hitting OFs and my C and SS would be under .350.  I also knew I wanted to use Babe Ruth.  His 350+ years are too expensive so I went with the popular 1919 version.  '11 Joe Jackson and '12 Ty Cobb are my .400 hitters.  I got some decently priced .350 hitters with '75 Carew, '88 Boggs, '17 Sisler and 1890 Dave Orr (DH).  That's under $26 million for those four guys.

As far as pitching goes, I really struggled to balance how many innings to draft vs. quality.  I focused on low OAV# but still wanted to keep the whip as low as possible.  I wasn't concerned too much with HR/9 so I went with modern pitchers over deadballers.  Maddux ('95) and Pedro were locks although I went with 97 Pedro to save salary.  I also like '68 Tiant because of his low OAV.  I needed an innings-eating pitcher who wouldn't get killed every time out.  I looked at a number of Ryan seasons but his whip scared me to death.  Koufax was too expense.  I couldn't even afford '71 Blue.  I decided on '74 Gaylord Perry (1.02 whip).  My bullpen is '98 R.Johnson, '19 Nehf, '18 Toney, '88 Milacki, '82 Rozema.  That's a thin 1431 IPs, plus 90 innings of mopup which I'll certainly need.  If I have fatigue trouble, I have no problem sacrificing Perry.

I don't feel very confident with this team at all.

Hitting stat line (excluding <300K players)
5851 PA, .360 AVG, .431 OBP, .521 SLG, C+/C fielding, $63.9 million

Pitching stat line (excluding <300K)
1431 IP, 1.84 ERA, .188 OAV, 0.90 WHIP, 0.50 HR/9, $54.7 million


 

8/3/2011 1:48 AM (edited)
I don't know why I bother reading schwarze's descriptions. Any feelings of optimism about my own teams immediately flies out the window :P
8/2/2011 12:53 PM
I signed up for this as mostly a learning experience so I'm not too optimistic.  I'm too lazy to get too in depth about what I was thinking (it probably wasn't too in depth anyway) so here is a basic summary.

70mil - Went with the 80 Astros. Hopefully I will have enough innings on the pitching staff. I only had to use a couple of their terrible hitters, so it allowed me to get a few decent players including super cookie Miguel Dilone.  This team easily has the most stolen bases of any team that I have ever made. I'm not good at small ball teams so I'm sure this one will end badly.

80mil - Went with doubles/HR hitters from the 20's and rolled the dice with 3 60's pitchers with 300 or more innings and a decent pen. It's probably not going to be enough innings pitched but it sounded good at the time.

90mil - Tried some kind of strategy that I do not recall, and then I put David Eckstein on my team. After that I kinda mentally checked out. I think I tried making a super singles team. Put them in Dodger Stadium with deadball pitching starring the pitcher I love to hate, Addie Joss.

100 mil - Thought there would be lots of good pitchers selected so I went the other route and picked 4 mediocre to bad pitchers who had good hitting teams. I decided to go totally nuts and pick Ubaldo as one of them so I could use Coors. I should win about 20 games with this one (fingers crossed).

110 mil - Thought about going the Tris Speaker route but didn't want to play in any of those parks. Decided to use 29 and 40 Gehringer instead. Lots of power in the batting lineup and I got to use Navin/Briggs/Tiger stadium which seems to be the only place I can win. The pitching staff is Wyatt, Newhauser, Trout, and Yde.

120 mil- Found it hard to pick the guys that I wanted and fit them under the cap. Just kind of threw this together with some sort of logic that probably makes no sense and put them in AFC.

Good luck everyone!
8/2/2011 1:35 PM
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Surprized more people didn't pick Collins.  I didn't pick him because I thought everone else would. 
8/2/2011 2:42 PM
I thought everyone would pick Collins as well......it was between him and Lajoie for me.....
8/2/2011 2:44 PM
picked Collins and somehow missed the Walsh and Cicotte 15 season...wound up with 12-28...more to come tonite...
8/2/2011 2:53 PM

As I have mentioned in previous years, except for the NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament, there is no annual event I look forward to more than schwarze's WISC Championship.  And here we are!   Here is what I remember about my various team-building strategies:

$70mm -   I rarely play in small cap leagues so this salary cap is always an adventure for me.  As soon as the themes were announced, I figured that this would be the team that I would enter on the final deadline day.  However, I was nominated as a guest commissioner and assigned this as one of my 2 themes so my procrastination/digestion strategy was ammended to just slapping something together.  Very similar to this past week on Capitol Hill.  I usually try to go with a variety of low-walk pitchers, high-walk hitters and oppressive pitchers parks in low cap leagues.  However.having to use so many players from the same actual team made me look for something simpler.  That became "go dead ball era and don't look back".  I always liked 1909 players and especially the 1909 Pirates with Wagner, Adams, Camnitz, Clarke etc. so I dabbled with them as a first draft.  Cheap, low WHIP, low HR/9 pitching was available on the Pirates and the league in general.  I couldn't afford Camnitz or Adams but the rest of the Pirates pitching looked functionally mediocre enough to use.  Second tier Pirate hitters gave me the necessary amount of $1mm+ players I needed, but Wagner and Clarke were budget cuts as well.   I filled in with some below-average years from name players like Lajoie and HR Baker to make me feel better and just went with it. 

$80mm -  My only two choices for pitching decades were 1900s and 1910s.  Low HR/9s, low WHIPS, don't strike anybody out.  I really like 1910 decade pitchers the best (1919 Adams, 1918 Toney, 1919 Barnes) but I chose to go with the 1900's staff instead because they were significantly cheaper.  I wound up taking low-inning starters 1906 White, 1909 Krause, 1907 Pfiester and 1908 Burns (all lefties).  Then we bring in long-inning relievers 1906 Patterson, 1908 Steele, 1905 Griffith and 1909 Curtis (all righties).  Close out with lefty 1908 H Coveleski.   1,369 IP, 0.93 WHIP, 12 total real life HRs allowed.   Hoping to lift starters for pinch-hitters around the 5th or 6th innings and have the bullpens contribute.   My only choice for hitting was the popular 1990s.  I especially like the .400 OBP plus guys who are really cheap.  Starting lineup: C 1996 Piazza (only semblance of power),  1b 1992 Kruk, 2b 1991 Randolph, 3b 1995 Boggs, SS 1995 Weiss, OFs 1993 Lofton, 1996 Gwynn, 1991 Otis Nixon.  Will need to use bench extensively for pinch--hitting and starting but they are more than servicable.  Hitters including bench (only 5240 PA/360, .313 BA, .402 OBP).  Playing at Dodger Stadium.

$90mm -  I am always reluctant to pay for fielding so I am really dealing mostly with hitters I would not ordinarily use.  Even now, I really cannot tell what I was thinking when I put this together.  I know I went for high OBP players that walked a lot.   I have a 3 man platoon at 2b (1936 Myer, 1997 Counsell, 2003 Figgins).  I have 1922 Bassler and 2 sub 300k backup catchers totaling barely 640 PA/360.  How about 1974 Bud Harrelson and 1926 Hod Ford at short??   For pitching, I went with low BB/9 pitchers (deadballers of course).   1908 Joss, 1919 Barnes, 1905 Cy Young - 1906 Patterson, 1916 Sallee - 1912 Weilman, 1993 Boucher, 1983 Heathcock in relief??  total of 1408 IP/360 with .90 WHIP but it looks thin.   Also playing at Dodger Stadium.    Total high maintenance mess.

$100mm -  Truly a mindbending puzzle.   I looked at balanced and unbalanced rotations.  My first thought was the same as in the $70mm league - 1909 Pirates.  Camnitz is acceptable as a starter, Wagner and Adams are perfect for this theme and the 3rd player could fill in a gap.  I liked the idea of 1895 Sadie McMahon and his 153 IP/360 but the stud hitters were not cost effective because of so many AB.  I also thought 2006 Santana had usable parts with Mauer, Morneau and interesting bullpen variables.  I settled on Camnitz and Santana as my foundation since it covered C, SS and bullpen and left only OF, 3b and 2b to fill.  Cruising throught thejuice6's "Green Cathedrals" leagues in which I am currently playing, I noticed that a shrewd owner had used 1898 Al Maul.  His 1.07 Whip season is perfectly acceptable and gives me much more affordable pre-1900 Orioles like McGraw, Jennings (with c-/c+ OF eligibility) and Keeler.  After trying to search for the missing 2b part I went back to the well and used DeMontreville from the same 1898 O's team.  I now had one OF and hopefully some more RP options to fill.   1996 Kevin Brown had exactly what I was looking for (Sheff, Nen, Helling)  and that group seemed to work well.  Big question mark in lack of OF range but otherwise pretty solid.  A truly enjoyable team to put together (maybe not so much to watch play out). 

$110 million -  This was a theme that I knew from the start I would create about a dozen teams for.  Plan A was to find a way to blend Ruth with some good pitching.  Played around with Ruth, Speaker and Leonard teams and liked them pretty well.  Plan B was to find a way to get Maddux involved.  I liked the 1995 Braves/2008 Dodgers a lot but was concerned about going modern era.  Plan C was to go with the obvious and team dead ball low-WHIP pitchers with a monster hitter period.  Tried the obvious Collins and liked those teams too.  Eventually, I went back to one of my favorite twist teams (1910 Naps) and decided I had to use somebody from this gold mine.  Joss and Cy Young.  Joe Jackson and Lajoie.  Nice base.  I tried a few guys like Flick and Mcguire to keep my season options open but eventually decided I was going to use the 1910 Lajoie season in any event.  and I knew his early Phillie teams between 1896 and 1900 were loaded as well.  They all have Delahanty and Al Orth.  1899 and 1900  had Bernhard and Roy Thomas (both sweet adds).  However, I got greedy on hitting and worked my way back in time.  1896 would have been a slam dunk if Jack Taylor was really Jack Taylor.  Sadly, this Taylor passed away in 1900 and was not the familiar Cubs/Orphans 1902-03 stud.  Very confusing that the WIS data base does not distinguish between the two.  I wound up settling on the 1897 Phils.  No Bernhard or Thomas but Lave Cross, Sam Thompson and Jack Clements are there.  So is Tully Sparks who has a good season on paper but I haven't ever used it before.  My team batting average (including bench hitters) is a ridiculous .363 (and I get to play in League Park (II)).   Team WHIP (including a couple of <300k punching bags for insurance) is 0.93 with 1485 IP/360.   I have played in several similar themes.  Thoroughly enjoy the research.  Usually really like my team.  Rarely, if ever, make the playoffs. 

120mm - My main goal was to get about 1500 innings of my favorite and most reliable pitchers on the roster.  With every team loaded with high average hitting, I wanted to minimize walks allowed and of course minimize gopher balls.  Went with 1919 Adams, 1995 Maddux, 1996 Kevin Brown, 1914 Leonard to start.  1906 Patterson, 1919 Nehf, 1918 Toney and 2010 partial Cliff Lee.  Only 8 pitchers to make 1501 IP but none under 100IP.  Then I filled in the hitting portion in stages:  1) compare all the .400 hitters and rank by OBP+ and $/PA.   Look for the best 2 values in the 650-700 PA/162 range and came up with 1911 Jackson and 1923 Heilmann.  Next, I wanted the 1931 Ruth and 1985 McGee for two of the required 350+ guys.  After that, I had to go cheap and used 1930 Cochrane and 1887 Caruthers (excellent value) to finish that requirement.   My infield again has a lot of moving parts: 1991 Randolph, 1948 Appling, 2007 Keppinger, 1922 Stephenson, 1945 Garms, 1999 Grebeck.   Playing in Jefferson Street Grounds.

As always, my only goal is to advance to Round 2 and hopefully get the chance to do it all again. 

8/3/2011 7:39 PM (edited)
League 1: Single-Season Half Team (1927 Reds)
I decided to look for two things here: a single-season team with three good low-cap pitchers and a season with several players I could use to complement them. I had quite a few finalists, but what ultimately made me settle on the 1927 Reds was the fact that 1927 offered me two really good sub-$4M players: Cy Williams (a ton of power) and Taylor Douthit (excellent range). The Reds offered me three good $70M starters in Dolf Luque, Eppa Rixey, and Jakie May and a solid reliever in Carl Mays. I had to overspend a bit on 3B Chuck Dressen and a C platoon of Bubbles Hargrave and Val Picinich (plus a bench SS to eke out $35M total), but I was able to get slugging 1B Jim Bottomley and relief ace Johnny Miljus under the cap. My lineup comes in at .284/.359/.410 in 5,022 PA; my pitchers have a 1.24 WHIP/.266 OAV/2.90 K/2.13 BB in 1,285 IP.

League 2: Two Decades (1885-99, 1910-19)
I settled on this pair pretty quickly for the 191x decade’s cheap and reliable relievers and the combination of high OBP and high range in the 18xx “decade.” Falkenberg, Weilman, Wiltse, and Wolfgang—some of my favorite WIS relievers—are the backbone of my bullpen, and I used a three-man rotation of Mathewson, Nick Cullop, and Dick Rudolph, all extremely low-BB/9 pitchers. On offense, I basically for the best range/OBP combo across the board. Not a lot of XBH in this group, but I’m hoping the OBP balances that out. Overall, my lineup hits .298/.378/.413 in 5,250 PA and my pitchers are at a 1.02 WHIP/.239 OAV/3.29 K/1.27 BB in 1,307 IP.

League 3: Pitching & Defense
Like probably more than a few owners, I really wasn’t sure what sort of strategy to take with this team. There weren’t very many position players I liked that were A) legal and B) affordable. I’m relying on ‘83 Henderson, ‘84 Murray, and 1891 Duke Farrell (playing the outfield but legal via the catcher arm loophole) to carry my offense; the rest of the lineup is basically slap hitters who occasionally take a walk. I made the perhaps unorthodox choice of the Memorial Coliseum as my home park to try and score a few more runs. The pitching staff is pretty standard, anchored by Addie Joss alongside Frank Smith and Carl Hubbell. The overall batting line for my position players is .286/.373/.403 in 4,981 PA, and my pitchers have a 0.95 WHIP/.218 OAV/4.19 K/1.42 BB in 1.344 IP.

League 4: 4-SP & Teammates (John Tudor, Orel Hershiser, Greg Maddux, Freddy Garcia)
The combination I ended up with for this league was not one of my favorites; there were several other starting pitchers that I liked better but just couldn’t fit the puzzle pieces together around. I do like the rotation; I think Tudor and Hershiser are good anchors and Maddux and Garcia should be solid on the back end. The bullpen should be solid, if susceptible to home runs. My lineup has good defense, which I wanted, although I’m not sure how much confidence I have in the bats. Guys like Sandberg, McGee, Grace, and Guerrero—let alone Vince Coleman—are not the kind of position players I would usually draft at this cap. With Safeco as the home park, I’m relying more on pitching and defense (and 291 SBs) in this league. My lineup hits .310/.376/.448 in 5,179 PA; my pitchers are at 1.01 WHIP/.211 OAV/6.54 K/2.19 BB in 1,363 IP.

League 5: Veteran Player 2-Team Twist (Babe Ruth 1926, 1915)
I had a lot of fun coming up with ideas for this league, and I had at least four fully drafted teams that I would’ve been comfortable with using. I guess it sort of came down using Babe Ruth—I couldn’t justify leaving him unused for the whole round. Ruth’s 1914 season in Boston gave me some great pitchers in Smokey Joe Wood, Carl Mays, and Dutch Leonard, plus a quality CF in Tris Speaker. I tried several of Ruth’s seasons as the anchor, but ultimately settled on 1926 for the addition of Garland Braxton, a pitcher I’ve had a lot of success with. The lineup is more lefty-heavy than I’d like, but I’m hoping they’ll score a lot of runs, as befits a Ruth-focused team. One wrinkle is that I sort of ditched the shortstop position with the light-hitting Mark Koenig—both Wood and Mays actually hit better than him, so we’ll see how that works out. The offense is at .328/.417/.501 in 5,438 PA, and the pitching is at a 1.00 WHIP/.211 OAV/4.96 K/2.19 BB in 1,454 IP.

League 6: Let’s Get Some Hits
Every year I tell myself not to skimp on innings in the WISC high-offense league, and every year I do it anyway. Some day I’ll learn my lesson, but in the meantime I just hope my pitcher fatigue stays at manageable levels. For position players, I looked for low salaries and good defense (to save my pitchers’ arms as much as possible) and tried not to overlook walks, since there will probably higher BB rates in this league than most $120M leagues. 1910 Dode Paskert, 1886 Jim O’Rourke, and 1927 Charlie Gehringer probably don’t get a lot of play in high caps, but they’re my (barely) .300 hitters. Boggs, Jennings, and the Walkers (Harry and Dixie) are my bargain .350 hitters, and Ty Cobb and Bill Terry and the .400 men. I tried to get pitchers with low OAVs that normalized well—starters Maddux, Horlen, Three-Finger Brown, and Dutch Leonard; relievers like the sure-to-be-prevalent JR Richard and Toad Ramsey. I’m already trying to figure out who I’ll sacrifice to the inevitable fatigue crush :/ Overall, my position players hit .354/.427/.491 in 5,911 PA, and my pitchers have a 0.90 WHIP/.186 OAV/5.91 K/2.21 BB in a mere 1,471 IP.
8/2/2011 3:25 PM
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I'm working on comments for my other teams, but since my 110mil comments are ready, and long-winded, I thought I'd just go ahead and post them:

110mil: Eddie Collins 1915 (plus 1928 help)
 
This is going to be a long-winded description (sorry). I wanted to start with the great deadball pitchers. You know, Ed Walsh, Walter Johnson, Pete Alexander, Addie Joss, etc. I was looking for a team that had more than one really good deadballer. It didn’t take long to find the Whitesox of the early 10s. 1912 had Walsh, Cicotte, *and* Doc White. That looked like a really solid place to start. Unfortunately, this team had only a 1B in Fournier, and maybe sort of a catcher in Ted Easterley… but I really liked that pitching. 1913 had the same people, so I focused for a long time on 1912 and 1913 Whitesox players. Edd Roush had some promise, but none of his live ball Cincy teams had enough. I strongly considered George Mogridge who was able to get me to a Senators team that had Walter Johnson (!), as well as two excellent hitting outfielders in Zack Wheat and Goose Goslin and even had Buddy Myer’s rookie year, allowing me to have a great 2B. Roger Peckinpaugh at SS was available also. Finally, Bobby Veach was there too, and I liked him for my 3rd OF. Ok, so I didn’t have a 3B, but things looked pretty promising for this team. Ultimately, however, I just didn’t like having to use Mogridge himself for either 1912 or 1925, and I still felt I could do better somehow, so… I did a bit more research.
 
After 1913, the Whitesox lose Doc White, which hurt, but then Reb Russell was around who is a worthy deadball pitcher himself. 1914 didn’t lend any help, but 1915 had some promise because then Eddie Collins arrived, and Joe Jackson was around too. Jack Fournier was still there also, so now, I had a 1B, 2B, and OF to go with Walsh, Cicotte, Reb Russell, and some good relievers.
 
I decided to look at Collins teams later in his career, and then it just suddenly all came together. In 1928, Collins played for the Philadephia A’s and his teammates were Foxx, Speaker, Cobb, and Cochrane, as well as Al Simmons. Jack Quinn was even around as an extra bullpen arm. 1927 would have been pretty good too, but I liked Speaker over Zack Wheat at that point.
 
So, now, I have a lineup of C Cochrane, 1B Fournier, 2B Collins (having one of his best years in 1915), SS ? (more on that in a sec), Foxx at 3B, and an OF of Cobb, Speaker, and Jackson. Ah yes, the SS: There wasn’t really anybody very good. The best player available was Jimmie Dykes, who actually hits very well, but his defense is subpar… but… it’s not horrible (no D-s or anything). Plus, he’ll need to be rested. But that’s ok… the other 7 hitters in my lineup are devastating both in raw stats, but also with normalization. There were so many good years of these players, that it really gave me a lot of flexibility in figuring out how to piece them all together and get a good combination of offense and defense. I am convinced that no offense will be better than mine in this league.
 
And as for the pitching: Walsh, Cicotte, Russell, Mellie Wolfgang, Joe Benz, and Jack Quinn provide 1310 innings of really awesome deadball pitching. It was easy to fill out the rest of the staff.
 
Ok, I’m just going to say it: If you didn’t pick Eddie Collins 1915, 1928 (1927 is probably ok too), then you are at a disadvantage. Wow bardin, what an obnoxiously arrogant thing to say! But… I really believe it. This combination provides great pitching and even more importantly, absolutely fantastic hitting that I don’t believe can be improved upon. Although… I haven’t seen the other teams (ballantine will probably prove me wrong, or something...). Still, if this combo was good enough for rbow, it’s good enough for me ;-).

Hitting: 5424 PAs/.343 avg/.436 OBP/.532 SLG (*including* the < 300K players)
Pitching: 1,512 IP/.213 OAVG/0.96 WHIP (*including* the scrubs)

Note: I haven't seen another Collins team in my league yet. Crossing my fingers...

More comments on my other teams later...
8/2/2011 5:14 PM (edited)
70m - '07 Cubs: Mordecai's Revenge

This was by far my least favorite theme.  I couldn't settle on any team because of the $35m per team, 8 players @ $1m rule.  So many teams would have $32m worth of good players, or 6 guys at $1m+ worth using.  As I researched teams, like rbow, I ended up stumbling upon the '07 Cubs, who have two fantastic starters in Three Finger and Jack Pfiester.  '07 Provides a solid Nick Altrock to put together a pretty nice rotation.  The offense is probably lacking some but they normalize up 60 to 70 points in OPS due to the era so that will help.  This team will live and die by Brown and Pfiester.

80m - Doubling Up: From Oughts to Nineties

Pretty basic stuff here.  The 1900s are my favorite pitching years in the sim with loads of cost-effective choices and, of course, '08 Addie, so that was an easy choice for pitching.  On offense I wanted cheap doubles and few eras provide that quite like the '90s.  Larry Walker and Knoblauch anchor the doubling along with Bobby Bo, George Brett and Meat Hook.  Of course the cookiest cookie, '95 Wade Boggs makes an appearance.  A rated gloves across the infield to prevent against deadball errors.  Nothing too groundbreaking here.

90m - Rock Raines and the Commerce Comets

First order of business was to build as strong a pitching staff for as close to 45m as possible to allow for optimal offensive spending.  The pitching is all usual suspects, join any standard OL league and you'll see these guys all over the place.  As for the offense, I didn't care whether my hitters were more rangey or glovey since I figured the difference between either would be largely negligible in a league like this.  I went for the cheapest guys I could find who provide good OBP numbers, so this team features several guys like '07 Roy Thomas and '93 Boggs whose OBPs are higher than their SLGs.  I looked into guys who hit the defensive requirements but could play other positions but wasn't especially thrilled with any of the options.  In retrospect I could have skimped on innings more than I did.

100m - The Jim Rice Game

I really didn't think this was as bad as others, maybe because I had a concrete plan, maybe because I really liked the theme, maybe because it was the first team I built, i dunno.

First thing I did was did a pitcher search with the minimum IP requirements and sorted by ERC#.  I then went through pitcher by pitcher, until I hit a point where I thought they would be ineffective at this cap, and pulled up each pitcher's team page. I'd scan the list quickly to see what worthwhile teammates they had and made note of any pitcher who had at least three quality teammates.  I put each pitcher and the positions of those teammates into one master list so that, as I built my team, I could say "hmm, I need a 1B, a SS and a reliever...oh, Pitcher X provides all those," and then plug guys in as needed.

The one guy who I found to be indispensable was '69 Mike Cuellar.  Good starter, left-handed, and he gave roughly 8 guys who I was comfortable using for the theme.  No matter who else I chose I could adjust Cuellar's teammates around the other guys.  The one thing I found when I compiled my list was that, of the pitchers I was looking to use, there were almost NO good third basemen.  So I gravitated to '86 Clemens, even though he wasn't a top choice for me, simply to get that sweet, sweet Wade Boggs action.  Neither Cuellar or Clemens are elite for this cap and I wanted some real top end pitching, thankfully by using the two of them the leftover holes to fill were pretty easy to find.  '05 Christy Mathewson and '14 Dutch Leonard, one of my favorite pitchers in the sim, round out the pitcher choices.

110m - Eddie Collins' Hit Squad '15/'28

Another commonality with rbow.  Before even thinking about any other options the first thing I did was look at the late '00s Philly A's teams.  Those A's are my go-to for themes like this because of the availability of Chief Bender, Harry Krause, Jack Coombs, Eddie Plank, Cy Morgan et al.  I got 95 wins out of the '09 A's in the 100m theme in round 1 of last year.  So I tried each of the pitchers and wasn't thrilled.  I tried Frank Baker and he was interesting, especially with access to Ruth in his late Yankee years, but he was still sub-optimal.  I then looked at Collins and realized he had those late 20's A's years available to him.  The '00s A's evolved from there to the White Sox and to the team I'm using now.  Seeing Tris Speaker on the '28 A's made me look at him and I felt Speaker and Collins were nearly a toss-up but I liked Collins' pitching better, especially with Walsh fronting the rotation.  Seems a number of people jumped on Tris, anyway.

120m - Yeast 4.0

The hardest thing about this league was figuring out how many innings you were going to need.  I normally aim for ~1,500 for 120m, give or take depending on the quality of the pitching I use, but given the theme rules and a DH that's probably not enough, so I bulked up even more.  Pitching is the usual suspects, Addie, Bernhard, Dutch, Nehf, Toney, Bonham, etc.  For the hitting I was looking for cost-effectiveness since the rules dictated the use of guys who are naturally pretty expensive.  I also wasn't going to sacrifice pitching quality in favor of hitting quality so there are some value picks here.  Since offense is much cheaper on the corners I knew I'd be using 1B/3B/OF/DH for my .350 and .400 hitters.   I like building teams with a defense up the middle strategy, A+ range at 2B, SS and CF, so Molitor, Appling and Tris take care of that.  Since the parks were all offense heavy I figured I'd take the closest thing to a pitcher's park of all of them - PNC - and try to tailor the team around it, so it's all singles and doubles for the offense.     

8/2/2011 5:20 PM (edited)
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