Comparing two hitters and results (both mine) Topic

I have two hitters on my team.  They have both been on the ML team for the last 3-4 yrs.  Would like to hear what people's thoughts are on why the disparity of the results.

Albert Cortes - 72 Contact, 68 Power, 62 vLeft, 75, vRight, 75 Eye, 53 Push/Pull
                         1044 AB/305 Hits/45 2B/42HR/125 BB/161 SO/.292 Ave/.371 OBP/.460 Slg/.831 OPS

Fernando Nieves - 93/79/96/84/73/26
                         1828/229/76/85/160/246/.275/.333/.461

At this point, we cannot go with SSS with this many at bats.  They have played in the same ball park and faced similar competition.  This is the Cleveland franchise (GAP - American Pastime), so it is a neutral field.

Thought it was an interesting comparison since they played together and Nieves obviously has much better hitting ratings.  Thoughts?

10/31/2011 12:58 AM
Sorry, copied Nieves projected ratings

Current ratings are 85/79/90/83/73
10/31/2011 12:59 AM
Cortes is a Switch, Nieves is RH?
10/31/2011 5:12 AM
Yep.
10/31/2011 6:56 AM
So if you had a RH hitter with the same ratings as Nieves, this is the production you would expect?
10/31/2011 8:46 AM
Not knowing their makeup or patience

I would say the first guy should hit .275-.345-.475, or something like that.  He's doing a bit better, but not a huge amount....2% above his projected (by me) OPS. With that average and that OBP and his Power rating he should be slugging better, btw.

I would say the 2nd guy should be in the .315-.385-.540 range, with his current ratings (I'll assume he hasn't improved that much over the last three years).  If he came up with significantly lower numbers then his lack of career production numbers could make sense.  What did he do last season?

He should be really good!  He's underproducing.
10/31/2011 10:07 AM

I just recently recognized the massive importance of handedness.   I've had a formula that works pretty well at predicting OPS but there has always been an outlier ro two that would make absolutely no sense, same player(s) season after season.   With the recent addition of baserunning to the view roster screen, I started tweaking it again.   Like a shovel, the handedness of the batter smacked me in the face.   I'm still messing around with it but I think 10-20% expected production is lost in RvR and LvL.

10/31/2011 10:28 AM
Interesting Mike, interesting.

A question;  Why would only a few players be outliers, season after season?  It would seem that all RHB's should be a bit below projections, because they see so many more RHP's.
10/31/2011 10:43 AM
Because their strong side is all the side they hit from.   IOW, VR is the higher rating for a RH batter.     I break it down by VR/VL in my formula.  
10/31/2011 11:01 AM
i would look into fatigue as well....nieves has played 162 games (with only a handful at DH) the last 2 seasons with an 82 DUR...i don't think this completely explains his underperformance, but it can't help
10/31/2011 11:37 AM
Fernando Nieves

See if this works.  This is the Nieves link.  As for fatigue, I usually rest guys once they hit about 95-97.  But he probably got into the games as a pinch hitter because he was not on rest.
10/31/2011 10:22 PM (edited)
Handedness does not explain the full extent of the disparity between Nieves' ratings and his performance, although I agree with Mike that it is really important.  Nieves is way underperforming, and I don't know why.
11/1/2011 8:58 AM
Now let's be real here.   His numbers, and ratings, have improved every season.   The current season is just past the A/S break.   Let's not assume he won't exceed his career best(last season) over the next 60 games.
11/1/2011 11:52 AM
Double negative!!! MikeT confuses me. :)
11/1/2011 11:53 AM
In a less confusing way, he's getting better and his stats are getting better every season.  Don't look at this season's ratings and say "WTF?"
11/1/2011 11:55 AM
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