How would you rank these three . . . Topic

In a 255mil league, at Palace of the Fans, how would you rank these three pitchers? I'm thinking the high HR of Gibson and Koufax would be minimized at the park. Also both of them have better WHIP#, OAV#, ERC#  than Brown. Seems obvious.

Here's my ranking.

65 Koufax
68 Gibson
08 M Brown

Is there someone else you would add to this group at Palace 255?
11/29/2011 10:13 PM
I would avoid Koufax and Gibson like the plague.  1915 Alexander, 1908 Joss, throw in 1888 Elton Chamberlain for Long A and have Pedro Martinez standing by in the pen as well for starts down the stretch, the Playoffs and TOC.
11/30/2011 12:13 AM
I would rank them about 10th, 11th and 12th out of three.  Seriously, I agree with Bilfert.  In a $255 MM league, money isn't as big an issue as it is at lower caps, so why not draft the very best?  You don't have to exclusively draft 300+ inning guys unless you're very lazy about roster management because you don't have to optimize your $/IP spend as diligently as at lower caps.  Maddux `95 has been my most consistent performer at $255 MM.  As Bilfert says, Joss, Pedro, Pete Alexander `15  and Elton Chamberlain are also excellent.  I've never had much luck with Walter Johnson `13 at $255 MM although a lot of people use him.  

Gibson will be toast at $255 MM and Koufax will be so-so at best.  I love Gibson and Koufax and stubbornly use Gibson from time to time at $80 MM, but he comes from one of the biggest pitching years in the SIM so he doesn't normalize very well at any cap level.  Don't look exclusively at ERC#.  As several owners pointed out in another recent thread, ERC#, WHIP#, BB/9#, HR/9 and performance history are all important.  Teams at $255 MM are more similar than at lower cap levels because everyone can afford the same high end Ruths, Cobbs, Hornsbys, Lajoies, Hamiltons and Duffys.  Lineup management and ballpark selection are critical because the big differentiator is how efficiently you score runs against similar teams.   
11/30/2011 5:08 AM (edited)
Any pitcher can get destroyed at $255M, but Brown is the best bet.  Gibson's barely playable, but could be of some use if started only in -HR parks.  Koufax, too, but there's safer options out there so I wouldn't use either of them. 
11/30/2011 10:03 AM
The reason I like 300+ IP pitchers in a cap that high is the number of pitches they can throw. Maddux and Pedro (less the HR's) are great but as thunder said they ALL get destroyed so it is about being "hearty" enough to weather the storm and let your offense do the talking. Pedro and Maddux in regular rotation will probably on go 4-5 innings and then you are in to the bullpen.  This is why I prefer to either use them as a Long A or hold them off and save their pitches for later starts.
11/30/2011 10:14 AM
Yeah, you need to have Maddux in a 5-man rotation to even get him through 6 innings. I like Koufax more than most, but you need to remember to skip him if you play in a big HR park. Remember, you'll be facing a lot of lefty hitters (Ruth, Bonds, TW, Gehrig)
11/30/2011 11:28 AM
Chamberlain, Steele and Fred Toney would be good options for long relief if you get a Maddux type.  Never been in a cap so high but I would consider getting all 3 of those guys for long relief.
11/30/2011 5:44 PM
Gibson and Koufax do not play well at $255m. Period.
11/30/2011 6:38 PM
Pitching staffs of two of my $255 MM teams though 54 games of a 162-game season, both at Coors.  Poor Koufax has been relegated to mop duties on the one team where I'm using him, a role I'm sure he never envisioned.   One team is 32-22 and the other is 30-24. 


Regular Season Pitching SimStats (Totals)
Player SN T G GS CG SHO W L SV SVO IP H R ER HR BB SO OAV OBP SLG WHIP ERA
Alexander, Pete 1915 R 14 14 0 0 8 2 0 0 82.7 113 58 52 6 34 65 .317 .375 .417 1.78 5.66
Johnson, Walter 1913 R 14 14 0 0 6 5 0 0 78.7 115 61 57 14 20 59 .338 .376 .529 1.72 6.52
Joss, Addie 1908 R 13 13 0 0 6 6 0 0 77.3 110 60 55 5 24 24 .328 .373 .442 1.73 6.40
Maddux, Greg 1995 R 13 13 0 0 6 3 0 0 72.0 99 50 45 16 16 49 .314 .348 .517 1.60 5.63
Martinez, Pedro 2000 R 20 0 0 0 2 1 2 2 43.7 53 30 28 9 13 48 .291 .350 .484 1.51 5.77
Chamberlain, Elton 1888 R 17 0 0 0 1 0 3 4 38.0 45 32 27 5 27 12 .294 .399 .444 1.89 6.39
Leonard, Dutch 1914 L 26 0 0 0 1 3 2 6 38.0 64 41 36 8 25 35 .370 .445 .636 2.34 8.53
Koufax, Sandy 1965 L 12 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 18.3 21 13 13 8 9 16 .288 .361 .685 1.64 6.38
Niggeling, Johnny 1943 R 7 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 14.3 15 8 7 0 13 10 .278 .412 .315 1.95 4.40
Milacki, Bob 1988 R 5 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 7.3 13 14 14 1 5 5 .371 .450 .543 2.45 17.18
Adams, Mike 2009 R 10 0 0 0 1 0 6 8 6.7 5 4 4 0 6 4 .200 .355 .320 1.65 5.40
TEAM TOTALS -- -- 151 54 0 0 32 22 16 23 477.0 653 371 338 72 192 327 .320 .378 .490 1.77 6.38



Walsh, Ed 1908 R 16 16 0 0 6 6 0 0 99.7 158 93 78 6 33 30 .356 .400 .462 1.92 7.04
Joss, Addie 1908 R 15 15 0 0 5 3 0 0 79.7 160 99 91 10 29 16 .413 .456 .594 2.37 10.28
Maddux, Greg 1995 R 18 8 1 0 5 2 0 0 78.0 92 40 38 10 18 52 .289 .328 .431 1.41 4.38
Johnson, Walter 1913 R 15 15 0 0 3 7 0 0 75.0 122 89 80 26 22 53 .365 .410 .689 1.92 9.60
Chamberlain, Elton 1888 R 16 0 0 0 3 2 1 1 38.0 49 32 31 8 28 9 .312 .422 .529 2.03 7.34
Martinez, Pedro 2000 R 15 0 0 0 1 0 1 1 31.3 63 43 43 13 19 41 .406 .475 .735 2.62 12.35
Leonard, Dutch 1914 L 18 0 0 0 4 3 1 4 26.7 34 16 15 2 11 25 .296 .362 .391 1.69 5.06
Niggeling, Johnny 1943 R 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 14.3 26 13 10 0 6 6 .388 .438 .552 2.23 6.28
Devine, Joey 2008 R 15 0 0 0 2 0 3 3 11.0 9 8 8 0 8 10 .220 .340 .244 1.55 6.55
Eckersley, Dennis 1990 R 11 0 0 0 0 1 6 8 8.3 16 7 7 1 3 8 .400 .455 .550 2.28 7.56
Milacki, Bob 1988 R 3 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 8.0 2 1 1 1 5 8 .080 .233 .200 .88 1.13
Adams, Mike 2009 R 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6.0 6 2 2 0 2 7 .273 .320 .500 1.33 3.00
TEAM TOTALS -- -- 156 54 1 0 30 24 12 17 476.0 737 443 404 77 184 265 .350 .405 .536 1.93 7.64
 

 
11/30/2011 9:48 PM
wow those era's are baloons for such good pitchers
11/30/2011 10:06 PM
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