I am sure there has been previous forums on this topic but I am relatively new at WIS and am curious what is the protocal?  Seems to me that there is little sense of accomlishment when you piggyback on someone else's efforts.  Any comments?

It's somewhat frowned upon but unavoidable.  It boils down to the fact that you're spending your money, so do what you want with it.

Sounds good to me.  Thanks for input ashamael.

To Tadmand, In my 1st league you dominated and went 72-10, beat Lebron clone team in finals.  I'm now in my 4th league and I'm up against someone with a suspicious resemblance to your team. Jerry West 72-73,  Gerald Wallace 05-06, Nate Mcmillan 93-94, Wilt Chamberlain 64-65,  Hakeem Olajuwon 90-91, Andrei Kirilenko 09-10,  Harvey Catchings 74-75, Jerry Reynolds 74-75, Alonzo Mourning 04-05, Scott Brooks 96-97, Rajon Rondo 10-11, Dennis Rodman 94-95.  I doubt he carbon copied your team but it seems to definitely be the basis.  What stood out to me as a red flag is how Jerry West is of a different era and  wouldn't necessarily fit the mold, also he has 2 teams with this construction in which he wins with and all his other sim basketball teams stink.  I wish there was something someone could do about these things because it makes me not want to do this anymore.

join theme leagues that have player exclusivity as a feature

I am doing my first Open League in like 5 years.  Using a completely original team but I am curious to see a) how many of those players occur on other teams and b) how much I get my *** handed to me by cookie cutter teams.

i've used this team twice in open leagues to combat the cookie cutter teams. 1 ring, 1 conference final (lost).

the core: 2200 min vince carter - 74 def danny granger - 06-07 carlos boozer - any version of a cheap kidd (9ppg), and c... 89 def mutombo (2500 mins). leaves 9 mil for reserves. u'll also need the 1400 min j.r. smith... 6.7 mil left.

		Name	Team	Pos	GP	Min	Pts	FGM	FGA	3PM	3PA	FTM	FTA	OReb	Reb	Ast	TO	Stl	Blk	PF
		Jason Kidd	08-09 Mavs	PG	81	2886	731	257	618	131	323	86	105	85	500	702	185	160	39	168
		Vince Carter	04-05 Nets	SG	57	2220	1569	572	1239	108	254	317	388	78	335	266	146	84	33	187
		Danny Granger	08-09 Pacers	SF	67	2424	1728	571	1277	182	450	404	460	49	341	183	165	69	97	207
		Carlos Boozer	06-07 Jazz	PF	74	2564	1549	647	1154	0	0	255	372	235	867	221	194	70	21	217
		Dikembe Mutombo	00-01 76ers	C	75	2591	749	269	556	0	0	211	291	307	1015	76	144	29	203	204
		J.R. Smith	07-08 Nuggets	SG	74	1422	907	311	674	157	390	128	178	43	152	128	112	62	12	144
		Bill Russell	56-57 Celtics	C	55	1931	806	316	740	0	0	174	352	344	1075	101	151	64	176	163
		Gerald Govan	75-76 Squires	C	24	651	137	57	130	0	0	23	28	44	160	54	47	7	11	65
		Larry Brown	70-71 Squires	PG	29	518	156	41	102	1	2	73	87	18	47	120	72	36	0	48
		Greg Kite	88-89 Hornets	C	12	213	38	16	30	0	0	6	10	15	53	7	12	4	8	43
		Kenny Thomas	07-08 Kings	PF	23	284	32	16	38	0	0	0	5	18	61	13	21	6	1	38
		Geoff Huston	86-87 Clippers	PG	19	428	129	55	121	1	2	18	34	6	17	101	45	14	2	28
			TOTALS			18132	8531	3128	6679	580	1421	1695	2310	1242	4623	1972	1294	605	603	1512

		Name	Team	Pos	Usage%	2pt%#	3pt%#	eFG%	OReb%	DReb%	Ast%	Stl%	Blk%
		Jason Kidd	08-09 Mavericks	PG	13.6	42.5	40.2	52.2	3.2	15.5	30.8	2.6	0.8
		Vince Carter	04-05 Nets	SG	32.9	47.2	42.4	50.5	3.8	13.3	17.3	1.8	1.0
		Danny Granger	08-09 Pacers	SF	29.7	46.8	40.1	51.8	2.1	12.8	9.3	1.3	2.3
		Carlos Boozer	06-07 Jazz	PF	26.9	55.8	0.0	56.1	10.8	29.3	11.3	1.3	0.5
		Dikembe Mutombo	00-01 76ers	C	14.5	48.7	0.0	48.4	12.6	29.0	4.0	0.5	4.7
		J.R. Smith	07-08 Nuggets	SG	26.2	54.0	40.0	57.8	3.3	7.8	11.0	1.9	0.5
		Bill Russell	56-57 Celtics	C	19.4	44.7	0.0	42.7	13.7	30.0	6.4	1.2	4.5
		Gerald Govan	75-76 Squires	C	11.2	43.5	0.0	43.5	6.1	17.6	9.6	0.4	0.8
		Larry Brown	70-71 Squires	PG	14.8	40.4	50.5	40.9	3.1	4.9	23.2	2.5	0.0
		Greg Kite	88-89 Hornets	C	8.9	53.0	0.0	53.3	7.0	19.8	3.8	0.8	2.1
		Kenny Thomas	07-08 Kings	PF	9.8	41.9	0.0	42.1	7.3	16.9	6.0	1.0	0.2
		Geoff Huston	86-87 Clippers	PG	16.8	45.0	50.9	45.9	1.4	2.9	28.2	1.3	0.3

Partial season players are so cliche'

...and effective.

I've really enjoyed my Wilt-Worm-Kidd + either Jordan or Barkley teams lately.  Gonna go hardcore cookie and make a Lebron one soon.

Thanks for the heads up fiioe....The Old Bear is not the first owner to copy my team. However, he is a HF (in something other than BB) and should know better.  I am a little surprised that none of the old timers in your leagues said anything to him and also surprised he did it twice.  That team and versions of it were very good so it is not fair to other owners in his leagues for him to copy and use it in competition.  Feel free to mention that his team looks familiar to Tadman's....might embarass him.
Bye the way, I am out of open leagues now.  Just playing themes.
Thanks again,  Tom

Posted by ashamael on 4/8/2012 7:28:00 PM (view original):
Partial season players are so cliche'

...and effective.

I've really enjoyed my Wilt-Worm-Kidd + either Jordan or Barkley teams lately.  Gonna go hardcore cookie and make a Lebron one soon.

Especially effective since they are cheaper than they should be. An added bonus- they are more fun to put together.

I went through, having looked at the threads, and created another OL team that is straight cookie cutter so I could compare their performance (knowing that it will be a small sample size).  I am very curious to see the performance compared to one another.  Already, I see that in my attempt to create a perfect team without the awareness of what is a cookie that both 08-09 Rondo and 10-11 Love may be cookies, which is interesting.

The ability to build a flawed minutes team with the ability to rely on rookies is pretty interesting.  Not sure if this was a valid strategy 4-5 years ago when I last played open leagues,

"cookies" (this is such a wrong term but for what you're talking about):

'67 Wilt
1700 minute Wilt + 95-96 (or 96-97) Shaq
'93 Rodman
'98 Rodman... actually, any Rodman not 91-92 or 93-94
'10 Kidd
'09 Kidd
'97 Jordan
'91 Barkley
'95 Drexler (1300 minute version) + either 2400 minute Granger, 2200 minute Vinsanity, or the Ginobili seasons around 2200 minutes
'02 Jesus Shuttlesworth

There's more but those seem to be the most common.

Since I was the target of all this I thought I would respond. The second team has been changed.  Just for future reference if you all have an issue with me a sitemail is all I need to fix issues. This is not my life and would not have even noticed this had I not got a sitemail from tadmand today. Some things have been mentioned in one of the leagues but I missed the first message and just now looked at the messages in the second. Hope this helps you all out. One of the reasons I quit playing the baseball game was all the duplicate teams so I totally understand.