A jump was just made directly from D3 to D1 with a less-than-insiring resume (coach had never made it past the 2nd round of the NT, best rpi ever was 27).

Curious to see if you guys think this should be doable. It is a result of seble's recent scaling back of the minimum requirements.

Personally, I think it's a bad thing for a few reasons:

-To jump straight from D3 to D1, I think that should require some deep NT runs.
-Being able to jump with this kind of mediocre resume totally cheapens the DI promotion.
-I think it will result in coaches who are totally not ready for DI making that jump, getting their butts kicked and then getting frustrated, leaving, etc.

Interested to hear people's thoughts on this (resume below): 

53		27-4	12-1	11-2	4-1	15-1		37	A-	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (2nd Round)
52		20-9	9-5	10-2	1-2	15-1		53	B+	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)
51		23-10	11-5	10-3	2-2	15-1		62	B+	Conf Champion PI (Final Four)
50		25-6	11-3	10-2	4-1	16-0		32	A-	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (2nd Round)
49		28-3	13-0	12-1	3-2	16-0	23	27	A-	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (2nd Round)
48		18-12	7-7	8-4	3-1	12-4		88	B	CT Champion NT (1st Round)
47		23-8	11-5	8-2	4-1	14-2		50	B+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (2nd Round)
46		24-7	13-2	10-4	1-1	13-3		61	B-	Conf Champion PI (3rd Round)
45		21-6	12-2	9-3	0-1	14-2		120	C+	Conf Champion
44		15-15	7-6	5-8	3-1	9-7		182	C+
43		18-10	11-4	7-5	0-1	11-5		80	B-	PI (1st Round)
42		27-3	11-2	13-0	3-1	14-2	17	35	B-	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (1st Round)

(And let's face it ... D3 is a ghost town. Making the NT with an RPI in the 30-60 range is something that a trained monkey should be able to do on a fairly consisent basis.)

Quick question girt- are these the coach's only seasons in the world?  (I know it's mostly off of the last 10, but there is a small longevity bonus that I want to account for if needed before my response)

Yes, only seasons.

My opinion: This resume should qualify for any D2 job.  No D1 jobs....you should have to make an Elite 8.  Anyone can make the NT in D3 with 4 years of human recruited players and an empty conference.  Low D1 is really hard, even if you know what you are doing. 

As a coach who is in D3, I was surprised to see the mystery coach make the jump to Yale as well because I was pretty sure the coach's resume wasn't that good.  (I checked the resume before clicking on this thread.)  Yale is D- so while I would guess the coach was qualified for D as well, that might not have been the case.  My experience / forum fact is that when you can make the jump to D1 the first threshold is D and D- jobs. 

It obviously is not an impressive resume.  That said, it isn't like this is a shortcut to D1.  And while the "trained monkey" line probably was meant to be literal, this kind of success shows that the coach has a decent clue on what to do.  In terms of results you'd want more, but I'm not sure what additional lessons would be learned in D2.  I don't have a problem with this coach diving into the deep end.

I have suspected he has been buying E-Bay cheat-codes for some time now.

If a coach puts 12 seasons into the game and wants to move up, then so be it.  As you said D3 is a ghost town so if getting to D1 makes the game more enjoyable for him/her then that is their decision to make, not ours.  If they get there and aren't happy then they can always move back to D2 or D3...but after 12 seasons it's not like they are completely unaware as to what they are getting into.

I also don't buy the thing about cheapening D1 moves when this person is going to a D or D- team.  First of all, it's a bad team that this person is moving to, big deal.  Second of all, at the end of the day we are all paying to play this game, not the other way around.  It's not the real world, and none of us are really Dean Smith or Mike Krzyeysyzyeyakdsfkajasdfaski no matter how badly we want to be or how great our WIS resume.  If someone puts in 10+ seasons of their own time and money and wants to take a shot at an awful D1 team to see what they can do, then so what.  It doesn't hurt any of us and it's not like they are leaving D3 hanging.

To unravel the mystery, this is one of my teams.  The success value was just barely enough to qualify for the lowest of DI jobs.  It's important to emphasize though, that experience was also just barely qualified, so it takes 11-12 seasons at DIII to clear that hurdle. 

To me, given that many seasons and consistent moderate success, I think it's ok to be qualified for the bottom of DI jobs.  The Ivy league in that world is dead last in conference RPI and Yale has single digit wins for the past 4 seasons, so they've sunk pretty low.

There's only so much you can protect a coach from struggling at the higher levels.  I could have easily cruised along in DII for several seasons and still been qualified for this job.  I don't think that would automatically make me a better coach.

Ha ha.  Well if its Seble, then maybe I change my mind.  But yeah, if someone really wants to be in d1 and has paid $100 to coach 10 seasons, let em I guess.

i didnt realize seble actually played. thats good.

i personally don't like the jump to d1, and don't agree with the sentiment that a coach with that resume could easily cruise along in d2 and still be qualified. i mean, knowing its seble, and guessing hes not giving these d3 teams his all nor leveraging any tricks hes learned from being the sim engine writer... im sure he could cruise through d2. but not knowing the coach with that resume, its not a foregone conclusion.

i've jumped d3 to d1, as have many, and i think its appropriate in some cases - maybe something like 10 straight NT seasons with a few elite8s, or maybe a championship with some solid seasons around it, or a couple quick final fours with some solid seasons around them. to me, the bar should be high. the reality is that when d3 was full, thriving, you don't get much more out of d2, and high level performance in d3 was harder. but today, i think you do get more out of d2, and its easier to succeed in d3. so, i think the d3->d1 jump should be difficult. more difficult than getting a- prestige, as in the example.

that said, i don't think its that big of a deal if a coach with this resume is able to move up. he has enough seasons that he should be moderately aware of the lay of the land ahead. if this was a similar level of success with like 6 seasons, i think it would be a more serious problem. all in all, i agree with girt, but don't think this should be the priority (not even close to d1 recruit generation)

(below is all my opinion, you have all right to disagree)

With all due respect, I am strongly into the camp that this is not a D1 resume, for any team.  I know I beat this drum all the time, but I believe you should either win championships (notice the plural) at D3 to go straight to D1, or have a few NT seasons at D2.  My reasons aren't around learning the game or any of that stuff, but I believe that you have to earn something more than just a couple of bids at D3 to prove you deserve to jump.

I also believe that you shouldn't be able to jump from any non-D1 job to a BCS conference, and I know I'm in the minority there.  A clear ladder should either require you to take 3 steps to BCS (DIII, DII, DI-AA or non-BCS DI), or be EXCEPTIONAL (and that is 2 or more championships, 3 straight final appearances, or 4/5 straight final four appearances...) to skip a step.  If we want to eliminate this ladder, let's just get rid of DIII completely, and let people start at DII, since those two steps have become one.  One of the greatest strengths of this game are the depth of the levels, and that has slowly over time been minimized and/or diminished as one season at .500 can get you to DII.  At risk of sounding like a broken record, when I started this game, the worlds were full, new worlds were opening, and you had to get to Elite 8 to move from DIII to DII in one season, and make the NT twice in a row in general to move up.  DII was a small accomplishment, not a right by paying for a team.  Getting to DI (which was decently full) took a lot of work, not just winning games against AI/New players.  I was PROUD to learn enough to make DII, and OVERJOYED when I finally learned enough to make DI.  Now I feel that people are putting in a fraction of the learning and skill that it took back then to get there.

Pardon me sounding harsh, but if you can't handle learning how to win at DII as it takes a few more months to make DI, go download a game that let's you start at Michigan, Kentucky, etc, and just go play.  Part of the beauty of Hoops Dynasty is the ability to start at DIII and earn your way up.  I know there's a business here, and some people don't have the patience, integrity, will, desire or intelligence to take 3 seasons to get to D2, and a total of 8-10 seasons to get up to the Big West, but those people likely will quit once one game doesn't go their way (and you think I'm kidding?  If I received $5 in credits every time someone posted in a conference chat that they are quitting because game X didn't go their way, or job Y wasn't reachable by them... I wouldn't have paid to play in a year).  Those people will simply continue to provide a short term influx of money for WIS, but could potentially do so at the cost of the player willing to learn, as it can be a large turnoff and a source of negativity toward the game.

I'm no genius, I am just a player with a business degree, who will still keep playing even if the standards continue to be below my expectations for jobs, but I feel that my voice should be heard, minority or majority, on this issue.

On the one hand, the resume is pretty weak, on the other hand, this coach has spent 12 seasons (almost year and a half in an one a day world) playing this game. Real world dictate this shouldn't be possible, but year and a half is a long time in this fake game of ours. 

It's not like his resume is that bad. Multiple NT wins, a PI final four, some NT first round exits. That's pretty solid, if unspectacular.

My feeling is that if someone, anyone want to coach a D- D1 team, and has moderate (not elite) D3 success for a prolonged period, they should be allowed to.