HOW do you beat these guys? Consistently...

My teams always end up with 7-10 hits, but only 1-2 runs. I'm probably 4-50 against these pitchers in my lifetime.

Do you need more hitters from that era? But then, wouldn't they maybe struggle against any other pitcher?

I've tried manufacturing more runs, more hit and run, base stealing, pinch running, but we always lose.

Anyone care to shed some advice on this?

Thanks in advance

I could be way off, but this is how I see it.  Scoring through HRs is futile against most deadballers without extreme HR hitters (Ruth and the like).  High 1B/2B/3B rates along with high contact, high speed, and low walks seems like a plan to me.  In theory, deadballers drag down the level of the defense behind them, so I would attack that weakness by trying to get as many hits as possible off them.  Having high SB rates and high speed furthers that cause.  Using hitters from that era that have better than league average 1B/2B/3B rates should help too.  Does this strategy work in a cost effective way that leads to wins?  That is open for debate.

This thread might be of some interest to you:

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doubles and triples from guys who can run. Joss can't get a K with a runner on 3rd and 1 out.

Addie Joss is a stud pitcher as long as he is paired with the right defenders and among the top bargins in all of SIMdom.  He is a low oav, low bb, low hr/9 pitcher so he really has no particular weakness.  He is also a low k/9 pitcher which is a bit of a weakness with a man on 3rd and less than 2 outs, but its a huge strength when there is a man at first and want a double play. 

That being said the best way to beat Joss or similar pitchers is as follows:

1) Just have a better team.  Strategies aren't as diverse as they once were but a great team is usualy at least still a good  team against any pitcher.
2) Counter with a stud pitcher of your own.  With a big stadium and possibly the right defense, a lot of modern-era pitchers can beat Joss and other deadballers.
3) Use sluggers that eschew the home run for doubles and triples.  Big parks and deaball arms abound in the SIM.  Both kill the longball.  Slugging that is driven by average, doubles and triples project better overall and more consistantly than that driven by homeruns.  Contrary to what was written above, the best normalizers will be modern era players with a lot of doubles and triples. 
4) Have an element of speed.  Against the best pitchers and in hit-killing parks it is tough to amass a lot of hits.  The ability to play some small ball is often key to winning on just a few hits without a homerun.
  

optimize your lineup to maximize your scoring chances......

Helpful everyone thanks.

And I've done a lot of what you all suggest. I've created teams where 1-5 are high average, high obp and hit more doubles than homeruns, and the bottom 3 hitters are avg contact guys (more defensive players) and they get shut out.

I've tried hitting and running more because Joss is not a big K pitcher and that doesn't work.

Everyone seems to have all the right answers, but when it comes down to it, I feel like this is just random. Period. I'd like to believe otherwise, but I've tried all kinds of lineups my last 4-5 teams and everyone of them finishes about .500 and we always lose to Joss and other deadballers.

So, I'm at a loss.

All good advice, but who creates a team to defeat one pitcher?

Look at the teams with good records in the league your participating in. Look at their lineups. Look at the boxscores of some of their games. How are they using thier pitchers, their lineups?

I do. And I'm not creating a team to try and beat one pitcher. Joss is the main culprit but lots of deadball pitchers own my teams. So I was just curious.

I have tons of box scores where my team scores 3 runs or less on 10 or more hits. Trying to find ways to get more runs, but still struggling

Lefty high average hitters do a number on Joss. Lefties in general sometimes too. In your season if you take a good enough samle size from Joss regular season stats you will see that lefties hit alot better against him.  This advice is not definite, because sometimes it doesnt matter (not to mention a lefty matchup is only a 5% advantage as a rule)...... Joss is that tough, but sometimes it works.  Speed probably helps. Maybe triples.  As mcmusician said above, to maximize your lineup when he is pitching.  good luck!

What salary cap leagues are you speaking of ...

80

Just as Chisox mentioned, Joss is tough to beat...regardless of what kind of defenders he has behind him.  However he isn't God, and he's certainly beatable.  Generally speaking, you either have to have an equally good pitcher going against him, or simply a better hitting team.

By the way, 80 mil league...what year of Joss are you talking about?

Posted by ynotjanns on 1/20/2012 1:38:00 PM (view original):
Helpful everyone thanks.

And I've done a lot of what you all suggest. I've created teams where 1-5 are high average, high obp and hit more doubles than homeruns, and the bottom 3 hitters are avg contact guys (more defensive players) and they get shut out.

I've tried hitting and running more because Joss is not a big K pitcher and that doesn't work.

Everyone seems to have all the right answers, but when it comes down to it, I feel like this is just random. Period. I'd like to believe otherwise, but I've tried all kinds of lineups my last 4-5 teams and everyone of them finishes about .500 and we always lose to Joss and other deadballers.

So, I'm at a loss.

If you're always losing to the same player or type of players, then it is by definition, not random.