call the bp setting Topic

I just wanted to check the higher the setting the longer the player will be given to work though tough situations, ie the bullpen will be called in less/later? 
3/28/2012 2:42 PM

Just the opposite..


Call Bullpen
- This value refers to the situation at which you would like your manager to take out a pitcher. This setting functions in a similar manner to the team managerial settings where the scale is 1-5, with a one indicating the least aggressive/rarer option and the five the most aggressive/frequent option. In this respect a pitcher will be removed at the first sign of danger if his call bullpen setting is set to five. If his Call Bullpen setting is set to 1 a manager will do his best to allow the pitcher to pitch out of a jam and reach the player's target pitch count. To edit this value, please click on the dropdown arrow for the player under Call Bullpen and select one of the values listed. Upon submitting pitching roles in the Edit Pitching Staff page, the recommendations will optimize Call Bullpen settings based on the player role and his pitching ability in respect to winning individual games. It will not optimize for player development, individual durability of the player or the durability of other pitchers on the team. For instance, the recommendations will list a poor pitcher or pitcher with a poor makeup, temper and/or patience ratings as a four or five for his Call Bullpen setting. If this pitcher has the highest stamina on the team and must eat innings to protect the rest of the staff, you may want to change his Call Bullpen setting to a one or two. When a situation calls for a relief pitcher, the AI will assess pitcher roles first and then availability in choosing the replacement.

3/28/2012 2:54 PM
thanks where did you find that... so a stud prospect with lots of stamamin and good make up would be a guy you want to let work though problems?
3/28/2012 3:18 PM
on the player settings page, click the help tab..lists details for all the actions.

Yeah, typically, the better the pitcher, the lower the setting.
3/28/2012 3:20 PM
I'd suggest reading as much of the "Help" info WIS provides, or as much as you can take. A lot of basic information available, such as what you're asking here. Since you're new, I'd rely on the AI recs, for the time being, until you get a feel for what you like to do.
3/28/2012 4:23 PM
Posted by fasteddy88 on 3/28/2012 3:18:00 PM (view original):
thanks where did you find that... so a stud prospect with lots of stamamin and good make up would be a guy you want to let work though problems?
My opinion is that in the majors..I let my good pitchers work through situations as their is no emotional aspect to the game so a pitcher wont pitch any worse if he just gave up a home run, so why not let his ratings do the job.

In the minors I have my good pitchers on higher call ratings as I am just happy that they got a game played and did not get injured so I will have them taken out of the game, and let a lesser player risk injury.
3/28/2012 10:55 PM
generally only real studs should get a pull rating of 1, very good players get 2, better then average get 3 and average or slightly less gets 4, bubble ML pitchers get 5.   If you find a guy is getting shelled too much bring his pull rating up 1, same vice versa...
3/28/2012 11:07 PM
It is not uncommon to use a low pull rating -- 1 or maybe 2 -- for all starting pitchers, regardless of ability.  I believe the thinking is that if a guy gets shelled early there is little reason to call your bullpen and waste innings on a lost cause.  Let the guy throw a lot of pitches, call it a day and move on.  This, I think, has some appeal:  typically a bullpen will have two or three premier players and a couple (or three) support types, and you want your best guys pitching in the high leverage situations as often as possible.  Of course in a blowout your AI manager will most likely go to either long relief or mopup, or, if the starter is pulled way early, you might see several bullpen guys used.  Whatever the usage, it increases the likelihood that your best guys will be used in low leverage situations because the support staff is recovering from your last blowout loss when the had to cover 6 or 7 innings. 

I don't use super low pull ratings for my starters, typically a 2 is my lowest, with 3 my default.  But I also like to collect mulitple bullpen arms capable of throwing 120+ innings and who I trust in high leverage situations...so for me the cost of a blowout tends to stress my bullpen less because I am comfortable using three or four guys in tight games.  Also, several of my teams play in ballparks that suppress offense, and I play a lot of low scoring games; for me the benefit of higher pull ratings might be to keep the game closer until I get into the other team's bullpen, when I think I tend to have a comparative advantage.
3/29/2012 12:33 AM
Conversely, your SP should be better than your LR.   So, if your better pitcher creates a losing situaiton, wouldn't some believe that it's better to get him out now, let a lesser pitcher eat some innings and bring the better pitcher back sooner(as he won't be fatigued)?    Unlike MLB, you don't have to have a set rotation.   Bring the better pitchers back earlier to pitch.
3/29/2012 8:23 AM
Posted by tedwmoore on 3/29/2012 12:33:00 AM (view original):
It is not uncommon to use a low pull rating -- 1 or maybe 2 -- for all starting pitchers, regardless of ability.  I believe the thinking is that if a guy gets shelled early there is little reason to call your bullpen and waste innings on a lost cause.  Let the guy throw a lot of pitches, call it a day and move on.  This, I think, has some appeal:  typically a bullpen will have two or three premier players and a couple (or three) support types, and you want your best guys pitching in the high leverage situations as often as possible.  Of course in a blowout your AI manager will most likely go to either long relief or mopup, or, if the starter is pulled way early, you might see several bullpen guys used.  Whatever the usage, it increases the likelihood that your best guys will be used in low leverage situations because the support staff is recovering from your last blowout loss when the had to cover 6 or 7 innings. 

I don't use super low pull ratings for my starters, typically a 2 is my lowest, with 3 my default.  But I also like to collect mulitple bullpen arms capable of throwing 120+ innings and who I trust in high leverage situations...so for me the cost of a blowout tends to stress my bullpen less because I am comfortable using three or four guys in tight games.  Also, several of my teams play in ballparks that suppress offense, and I play a lot of low scoring games; for me the benefit of higher pull ratings might be to keep the game closer until I get into the other team's bullpen, when I think I tend to have a comparative advantage.
But if your starter is getting shelled early in the game, why let him continue to pitch on a bad day and keep him from getting back to 100% earlier? I'd rather my starter get benched with the possibility of coming back a couple games later if his % is high enough and maybe have a better start.
3/29/2012 11:12 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 3/29/2012 8:23:00 AM (view original):
Conversely, your SP should be better than your LR.   So, if your better pitcher creates a losing situaiton, wouldn't some believe that it's better to get him out now, let a lesser pitcher eat some innings and bring the better pitcher back sooner(as he won't be fatigued)?    Unlike MLB, you don't have to have a set rotation.   Bring the better pitchers back earlier to pitch.
Yeah, this makes sense. I think the chance of having your best relief pitchers unavailable for close games is still a concern, but the more innings that go to your best pitchers, the better. And I do this very thing with my rotations...if one of my better starters is available before their scheduled start, I switch positions. But there are some who set low pull ratings and let their starters absorb as many innings per outing as possible. If you have a thin bullpen this might be the better strategy. Or not, I don't have a definite opinion here.
3/29/2012 11:52 PM
oops, didn't realize Mike said the exact same thing as me.
3/30/2012 1:44 AM
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