How many of you out there use advanced statistics to analyze your team/other teams?  I know I asked this question about a year and a half ago and a couple people said they used them, but I was surprised at how many had never even thought about doing it.  So, with all that time passing, I was wondering how many people nowadays used advanced stats?  If so, which ones do you use?  If you don't feel like disclosing them on the forums I'd love to have a sitemail discussion about some of these advanced stats.  

I have a sport of spreadsheet I use for that sort of thing, yes.   All sorts of them.   Pretty much the whole gamut of the ones I can calculate with existing statistics.

I use % of fga that are 3pt fga's and pts per shot. For people who use more advanced statistics can you all show how you calculate those figures.

Well.  There is a whole Gamut of them from Useage rate, I will use a number of free throw related stats:For individuals:

 Free throw attempts per shot attempt, Free throw attempts per Personal foul committed, free throw attempts per possession.  Turnovers per possessions used.  EFG%, Rebounding percentage, Offensive rebounding percentage, block percentage, steal percentage, points per possession, Posession plus/Minus number(Basically, how many possessions that player wins or looses per game/minute based on things such as rebounding, steals, turnovers . . . 

What I woudl love to be able to calculate - if the stats were provided - would be "Fast break points" - divided by player - figure out who gets points on the break - Second Chance points, again broken down by player.  Points in the paint, again broken down by individual. . . 

That's one improvement to the game that you'd think would be pretty popular and pretty easy to implement - deeper, richer statistics. I could get lost for a long, long time sorting through that kind of stuff. I think seble has been open to the idea, but it just hasn't happened.

Dear Sitestaff,

You want to throw us a bone and shut us up for a good long while? Do that.

Love,
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Posted by arssanguinus on 4/11/2012 10:39:00 PM (view original):
Well.  There is a whole Gamut of them from Useage rate, I will use a number of free throw related stats:For individuals:

 Free throw attempts per shot attempt, Free throw attempts per Personal foul committed, free throw attempts per possession.  Turnovers per possessions used.  EFG%, Rebounding percentage, Offensive rebounding percentage, block percentage, steal percentage, points per possession, Posession plus/Minus number(Basically, how many possessions that player wins or looses per game/minute based on things such as rebounding, steals, turnovers . . . 

What I woudl love to be able to calculate - if the stats were provided - would be "Fast break points" - divided by player - figure out who gets points on the break - Second Chance points, again broken down by player.  Points in the paint, again broken down by individual. . . 

Can't you do all those from the pbp?

You CAN - and I sometimes do.  But it is very time consuming.  And if you want to use that sort of thing to research opposing teams, then its nearly impossibly time consuming,.

One more section you can scroll to on the team stats page which contains "Page two' stats would be a great addition.  For me, at least.

I use pts per shot and find that to be about as deep as you need to go/can reasonably go with the limited data we hav and still have it be meaningful (and even then, sometimes it's not meaningful).

The sample sizes -- even a full season -- are so small that I think using really advanced metrics for individual players can be misleading as often as they are insightful.

there was a worksheet made a few years back that had all these crazy stats in it but problem was it never worked right but im glad to say I almost have all of the formulias fixed, its just so time consuming to fix someone elses work but should be a great tool when Im down. hopefully by the end of the month I should be close. Im a stat geek and love all those crazy numbers

I think that it would be awesome if WIS added a stat of +/- for each player.

I posted something here a few weeks ago from an NBA stat geek, something to the effect that it takes approx 2 1/2 NBA seasons or approx 200 NBA games for plus / minus to be relevant.  Again, I am going off memory of a very long, very technical article, that I skimmed less than half of, but if that is the case, trying to figure out trends with 20-35 games, would be statistically next to impossible.

That being said, I think that advanced stats would be fun to get, I love most all the ideas above, throwing us all a bone as suggested above.  The easy one that I would enjoy seeing is +/-.

Posted by girt25 on 4/12/2012 12:40:00 AM (view original):
I use pts per shot and find that to be about as deep as you need to go/can reasonably go with the limited data we hav and still have it be meaningful (and even then, sometimes it's not meaningful).

The sample sizes -- even a full season -- are so small that I think using really advanced metrics for individual players can be misleading as often as they are insightful.

I would still, for my own reasons, be interested in seeing who tends to get my fast break points, who is scoring second chance points etcetera and see how reality matches up with Intuition.,

Posted by 29707 on 4/12/2012 1:47:00 AM (view original):
I think that it would be awesome if WIS added a stat of +/- for each player.

+1 to that

+1 to this entire discussion

Posted by oldresorter on 4/12/2012 7:12:00 AM (view original):
I posted something here a few weeks ago from an NBA stat geek, something to the effect that it takes approx 2 1/2 NBA seasons or approx 200 NBA games for plus / minus to be relevant.  Again, I am going off memory of a very long, very technical article, that I skimmed less than half of, but if that is the case, trying to figure out trends with 20-35 games, would be statistically next to impossible.

That being said, I think that advanced stats would be fun to get, I love most all the ideas above, throwing us all a bone as suggested above.  The easy one that I would enjoy seeing is +/-.

Yes, this is exactly what I was talking about above.

A lot of the info from these stats would be downright misleading. (I notice that even when I look at simpler things like points per shot as well. And when you see people talk about things like "senior SG slumps", etc. it is generally -- though not always -- a simple issue of sample size.)