Noticed this the last 2 seasons but this year was the worst offender.  Sent a ticket about it last time and didn't get a response.

When you do FSS and get a "average" potential, the guy ends up coming in as "low"/orange in the color coding.  It's inconsistent.  Also happens with "high" that end up coming in as black/"normals".  Essentially, potential in FSS doesn't match actual potential per the color coding.

While this does seem to be a glitch, it actually seems to be giving you more information.

What I'd assume happened is that the code that generates the email for potentials and the code that color codes the ratings are just slightly different.  Most likely done by two different developers or one developer with a lot of time off between them.  

So, for example, what you'd get is in the email, you have code essentially saying "if potential is greater than or equal to (>=) seven, call it average, else call it low" (ignoring the high, obviously).  Then in the ratings, it probably says "if potential is greater than (>) seven, call it average, else call it low".

Now when you get a guy with seven points of improvement left in a category, it's going to show as average in the email and then low in the ratings.  But it would tell you that it's right at the edge of the low, so you would know exactly how much improvement this guy has left rather than him coming in at average and you expecting anywhere from 7-20 points.  Now you know he's only getting seven points.

It's an assumption, but very likely the case.

This has always been the case.  Admin claimed it had to do with improvements between signing and when the potential message came out, I (and many others) never really bought that, and having immediate color coding confirmed that this was, indeed, not the case.  I think the reality is that for recruiting purposes average potential is 6-20 points of potential growth, later it's 7-21.  So the guys that changed probably have either 20 or 6 points worth of room for improvement.

Posted by grantduck on 5/18/2012 8:55:00 PM (view original):
Noticed this the last 2 seasons but this year was the worst offender.  Sent a ticket about it last time and didn't get a response.

When you do FSS and get a "average" potential, the guy ends up coming in as "low"/orange in the color coding.  It's inconsistent.  Also happens with "high" that end up coming in as black/"normals".  Essentially, potential in FSS doesn't match actual potential per the color coding.

As far as not getting a response from WIS,  it can be a bit confusing as well.  After you type your message, look at the bottom of the page. Click on 'next'. You have to send the message on the next page.

However, if in your ticket history, your message is present, then they indeed failed to answer.

I just had this happen with a recruit I just got, he didn't even increase a point after the first practice, but went from average to low in 2 categories and high to average in one, but had not even grown a point in the categories in question.  My ticket was responded to and they said that while he hadn't grown a point yet officially, his growth was enough to get him from average to low potential.  If it was that close to being low that after one practice and not even a point growth would send him to low, I would think that they could have called him low in the first place but that is just my opinion. 

its a rounding thing I imagine - its just one of those things that happen. Unfortunate that player is a dog, but it happens...have to consider if he's worth cutting next time around and trying again.

Posted by joeywheeler1 on 5/19/2012 2:59:00 PM (view original):
I just had this happen with a recruit I just got, he didn't even increase a point after the first practice, but went from average to low in 2 categories and high to average in one, but had not even grown a point in the categories in question.  My ticket was responded to and they said that while he hadn't grown a point yet officially, his growth was enough to get him from average to low potential.  If it was that close to being low that after one practice and not even a point growth would send him to low, I would think that they could have called him low in the first place but that is just my opinion. 

If its a computer, the cutoff has to be SOMEWHERE.

It's really not a glitch. Since the beginning of potential, it has been in the design to have guys show one potential in FSS and show up with a different potential. People didn't complain before because it was the opposite, guys would be average and show up high, or be low and show up average, now it's the opposite for whatever reason. I still haven't figured out what that reason is. 

Posted by ryandaniel on 5/19/2012 5:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by joeywheeler1 on 5/19/2012 2:59:00 PM (view original):
I just had this happen with a recruit I just got, he didn't even increase a point after the first practice, but went from average to low in 2 categories and high to average in one, but had not even grown a point in the categories in question.  My ticket was responded to and they said that while he hadn't grown a point yet officially, his growth was enough to get him from average to low potential.  If it was that close to being low that after one practice and not even a point growth would send him to low, I would think that they could have called him low in the first place but that is just my opinion. 

If its a computer, the cutoff has to be SOMEWHERE.

But he has not increased a single point yet-0-.  you would think that 10 minutes of practice time in 2 seperate categories would not be the exact cutoff point to get him from average to low without a full point gained.  If it is fractionally that small of a difference just round it to the closest whole number for us uninformed and call him low.

Posted by dacj501 on 5/19/2012 4:10:00 PM (view original):
its a rounding thing I imagine - its just one of those things that happen. Unfortunate that player is a dog, but it happens...have to consider if he's worth cutting next time around and trying again.

His Def, LP, pass, FT %, Stamina and dur are all still high potential for now, so he should be serviceable.  I just was hoping for the better side of average for Reb and block and got the complete opposite, the zero side of average. 

Here is the way Reb and Blocking potential were explained in the scouting trip for him. 
- Great shotblocking instincts and fundamentals - still has decent upside with proper coaching.
- Fantastic rebounding instincts - good upside if he works at it.

I can see how SB with "decent upside" could be on the lower end of average/ close to low, but rebounding said that it was "good upside".  I would think that if FSS says average and the scouting said good upside that he would get one full point of increase before he became low, but live and learn.  this is my last time mouthing off on the subject though, got to get ready for the season.

Posted by joeywheeler1 on 5/19/2012 11:10:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ryandaniel on 5/19/2012 5:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by joeywheeler1 on 5/19/2012 2:59:00 PM (view original):
I just had this happen with a recruit I just got, he didn't even increase a point after the first practice, but went from average to low in 2 categories and high to average in one, but had not even grown a point in the categories in question.  My ticket was responded to and they said that while he hadn't grown a point yet officially, his growth was enough to get him from average to low potential.  If it was that close to being low that after one practice and not even a point growth would send him to low, I would think that they could have called him low in the first place but that is just my opinion. 

If its a computer, the cutoff has to be SOMEWHERE.

But he has not increased a single point yet-0-.  you would think that 10 minutes of practice time in 2 seperate categories would not be the exact cutoff point to get him from average to low without a full point gained.  If it is fractionally that small of a difference just round it to the closest whole number for us uninformed and call him low.

The game doesn't work on integer values - everything is a decimal, we just see the rounded integer representation.  So while you haven't seen him increase, he may have increased a few tenths of a point, which was enough to push him to low potential.

It's just like prestige where you can have a difference between a low "A" and a high "A" before getting to "A+", for example.

There is only one scouting report message for average in any given category.  "Good upside if he works at it" just means average.  You can't learn anything about average potential from scouting trips.

Posted by joeywheeler1 on 5/19/2012 11:25:00 PM (view original):
Here is the way Reb and Blocking potential were explained in the scouting trip for him. 
- Great shotblocking instincts and fundamentals - still has decent upside with proper coaching.
- Fantastic rebounding instincts - good upside if he works at it.

I can see how SB with "decent upside" could be on the lower end of average/ close to low, but rebounding said that it was "good upside".  I would think that if FSS says average and the scouting said good upside that he would get one full point of increase before he became low, but live and learn.  this is my last time mouthing off on the subject though, got to get ready for the season.

to expand on what dahs said, evals don't tell you where in the range of average a player falls, they only tell you that he's average (this is useful info if you are recruiting a player who is in a state that you didn't purchase FSS for or for whom FSS is not available); the eval messages also tell you whether a player is high-high or regular-high (aka by some coaches"Low-high"), without telling you where in the range the player falls (i.e., you can have a reg-high player on the brink of high/average and right when the 1st cycle hits, his potential changes from blue to black; another reg-high player can improve just enough to make you think he's high-high). here's a forum that i pinned to remind me what the high messages mean: http://whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?TopicID=441536

Posted by dacj501 on 5/19/2012 4:10:00 PM (view original):
its a rounding thing I imagine - its just one of those things that happen. Unfortunate that player is a dog, but it happens...have to consider if he's worth cutting next time around and trying again.

"its a rounding thing" <- +1