There are 4 teams with losing records in the PI tournament, does that make any sense at all?
13-14 Stanford is a #1 seed, 12-15 Illinois is a #2 seed, 12-15 UNC is a #4 seed and 12-15 Fresno St is a #7 seed.
Why should any team with a losing record make the PI tournament?

with the conf. schedule these teams play the RPI will get them in. if any of these teams was at .500 they would easily be in the NT. SOS plays a huge part. I haven't checked but I bet none of these teams has a real bad loss.

Do you believe 17-19 win mid major should get the nod over 12 win unc? or 12 win illinois? or 13 win stanford? 

I would assume that he's upset that his Xavier team didn't make the PIT with a 19-8 record while the teams he mentioned all got in ahead of him.  Scheduling four bad Sim teams in OOC play (plus a human team that finished 1-26) and then getting knocked off by another bad Sim team in the CT (not to mention losing to the same Sim team in conference play) doomed you.  In fact, you really only had what you might consider two quality wins all season.  There have been some bad selections or non-selections in the past, but you missing out with the season you had isn't one of them.  Sorry.

However, I do think you have a right to be upset about Fresno State's selection.  That WAS one of the bad ones.

No, I am not upset at not getting in given the season I had, my SOS was bad. My question was, and still is, why should any team with a losing record make the PI? Is that realistic?

In HD, it is fairly easy to manipulate your schedule to create a 20 win season if that is all you are after. Anyone can go out and schedule a 10 game non-con schedule full of cupcakes and then beat up on a conference full of rotton sim teams. An artificially created winning record does not in any way reflect the true quality of that team. Therefore, wins alone cannot be the driving force behind tourney selection. I agree that 12-13 win teams don't usually qualify for the real life NIT, but in HD many of those 12-13 win teams are far better than their records indicate. This is one of the areas where WIS cannot and should not replicate real life.  

Posted by Weena on 5/23/2012 8:56:00 AM (view original):
In HD, it is fairly easy to manipulate your schedule to create a 20 win season if that is all you are after. Anyone can go out and schedule a 10 game non-con schedule full of cupcakes and then beat up on a conference full of rotton sim teams. An artificially created winning record does not in any way reflect the true quality of that team. Therefore, wins alone cannot be the driving force behind tourney selection. I agree that 12-13 win teams don't usually qualify for the real life NIT, but in HD many of those 12-13 win teams are far better than their records indicate. This is one of the areas where WIS cannot and should not replicate real life.  

Thank you, that's a great point and thinking of it in that way, I can see why wins can't be the only driver and it makes sense how the selection process won't replicate real life.

Posted by usjad on 5/23/2012 5:39:00 AM (view original):
No, I am not upset at not getting in given the season I had, my SOS was bad. My question was, and still is, why should any team with a losing record make the PI? Is that realistic?

I actually agree with you that under-500 teams shouldn't make the postseason, but not because it 's unrealistic. There are a lot of things that happen in HD that don't happen in RL, and often there are really good reasons for those differences. But in this case, I don't see how an under-.500 team should ever make the PT, no matter how tough their conf, because they had 27 chances to make their case. If you went under .500, even in a killer conf, it means you either treaded water - beat poor teams and lost to all the really good teams you faced - or you actually beat some great teams, but balanced that out with losses to teams that you shouldn't have.

I know that at the very extremes (like the ACC or D2 GLV in some worlds), you could see a team with an RPI better than 50 finish under .500. But to me, that's the rare exception. And frankly, maybe those teams should've scheduled their non-conf just a little easier so they can actually get to 14 wins overall. I don't see why a 12-15 team has any right to be indignant that they didn't make the postseason.

Wow - I never knew there was Passion for the PIT.