What do you like best about WIS baseball? Topic


Only positive comments on this thread please.

I'll start with this one.

Would you really know who Bob Milacki. Addie Joss, or Boogerlips was without it?
5/27/2012 1:22 AM (edited)
I discovered who Bob Caruthers was. Seems like a while ago when he was the Joss of his day.
5/27/2012 1:51 AM
King Kelly.  Didn't know who he was before WIS, one of my favorite all-time players now - and not just because of his performance in WIS.  Actually, watching the first 'inning' of Ken Burn's Baseball documentary meant a lot more to me after spending a couple years with WIS.
5/27/2012 1:57 AM
I appreciate learning more about every era in baseball history. I'm still under 30, so until WIS I knew very little of pre-90's baseball. After spending WAY to much time on baseball-reference.com researching theme league teams, I can know start to hold my own in conversations about baseball with the old fellas. Knuckleballer Charlie Hough - know him. Legendary journeyman Luis Tiant, yep know him too. George Brett, used to only be this legendary name, now I understand much better just how important he was for the Royals. The mere fact that I know some of the lesser names is so awesome.
5/27/2012 12:52 PM
Oh, and one other thing. I'm an A's fan. Learning about the amazing teams of the early 1900's and then again the late 1920's team full of HOFers has been just awesome. Some people look at me like I'm crazy when I list greats such as Eddie Collins and Lefty Grove alongside the more modern fellas like Reggie Jackson and Rickey Henderson in my all-time A's lineup.
5/27/2012 12:55 PM
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I love that there are so many options. Not one team is the same and there can be different ways to win.  I love reviewing the stats.
5/27/2012 8:10 PM

Here is another one in our fantasy world.

Once you win a Championship, and especially a TOC, WIS knows you are hooked.  It's not real life, or as good as seeing my 10 yr old getting a base hit, but still satisfying. :)

5/28/2012 12:39 AM (edited)
The collective and individual level of intelligence here at the site.  Also, the sense of community based on a real generosity regarding sharing knowledge in the interests of a better and more competitive game. Here is part of why that is important to me.

I have worked mainly in two areas for the past 25 years after high school and college and various factory, taxi driving, car parking, warehouse and bookshop jobs. One is the labor movement as a labor organizer and contract negotiator. The other is as a college professor once I had finished my Ph.D. The past 20 years I have almost exclusively, except for a few consultant/researcher jobs, worked as a professor. When among ordinary workers as a union staff person, I saw ordinary people take enormous risks to help each other fight for better conditions. Their job was all they had, but they would risk it to help get an unjustly fired co-worker rehired or to improve conditions for co-workers and friends that had particularly bad or dangerous conditions. 

I have never, in 20 years, found that spirit in academia.  So while I LOVE teaching, and learning from students, reading and talking about books, ideas and real world events, I cannot stand that aspect of universities. Ideally, and across professional life to a great degree people do let each other in on some of our research findings, or provide an insightful analysis. But often there is a guarded caution to hang on to knowledge as if it were one's private property. 

The irony is that here on WIS the object is to win. But any good chess player will want a competitive opponent or the smarts they have for the game are pretty pointless. Workers share knowledge on the job often at almost any job, in part because it is in the interest of all to know how things work, and makes work more bearable to understand how one's work fits in to the larger picture. 

But that does not always happen in the fields I work in professionally. As a graduate student in the 1980s in NY I often found professors used what they knew to try to bludgeon grad students into submission in classroom discussions, or tried to get students to do their research for them, or else, on at least two occasions that happened to me personally and an especially serious one that happened to a fellow student, stole the original work students were doing to claim as their own.

Here, people give credit to others for their insights, and compliment each other often. They let others know how the SIM works, what normalization is, some tips on drafting. Not to the extent of giving away every competitive advantage of course, no one would expect that. People should do their own work to develop their own strategies. But to find out what strategies others employ, often all you need to do is ask them, or read the forums. 

In my line of work, this is called a "commons". A common good - high quality competition - that is seen to be in the interests of all, not owned by anyone, but managed by informal, self-organized means in an efficient and effective manner. 

I would have found graduate school a lot easier to deal with if I had had something like WIS to provide me an outlet for other, intelligent company and interests. 
5/29/2012 10:31 AM

Italy,

I've worked in the Corporate world for 15 yrs, and most of that time in middle management.  One thing I learned is people are ruthless when it comes to "career advancement".  As much corporate brainwashing is done about teamwork and company first, it does not matter.  Most people still believe the best way to get ahead is not to "shine", but to make one of your peers look worse than you.  It doesn't surprise me university careers deal with the same issues.
5/29/2012 8:30 PM
Yes skinndogg, this doesn't surprise me anymore, and I find that whether it is in churches (see the current scandal involving the part of the Vatican hierarchy), political parties, the mafia, you find that it is quite typical that people care more about their position within a given hierarchy than about the overall position, condition or well-being of the organization to which they have presumably dedicated themselves and the others in it. 

I am not big on explaining things by "human nature" nor by original sin, destiny and fate or anything else that sees the world as unchanging and unchangeable - "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars but in ourselves." But being a sociologist I tend toward explanations for these sorts of things that begin (but aren't completely limited to) social organization. Something about how we socialize ourselves, and have done so for along while, centuries at least, leads people to this kind of mentality. But that many others see this as "Byzantine" office or departmental politics and don't care for it means it isn't universal. 

Beyond that, I am not sure I have gotten. But one reason my friends and I have studied the commons is that it is a phenomenon demonstrating other possibilities - whereby people can collectively manage part of their resources through arrangements that are often unspoken, unwritten and informal, but no less real than written law is that it is both a real thing you find in the world.  This site as I have written above is an example of one, as are all the free sharing downloads, Linux, Wikipedia and other examples from land used for grazing goats in Sardinia to how forests were managed in medieval Europe. 

So there is hope. In the meantime, there is baseball too. And regarding all those who compete not to shine but merely to be ahead of you, me or others, Lao Tze wrote thousands of years ago: "The sage does not compete, and so does cannot be conquered."  At least not in that kind of competition. Lao Tze would probably have been in the all-time philosophers' team, bullpen, probably a setup man. Setup A though.  Play ball. 
5/29/2012 9:01 PM
Italyprof - your comment about professors using their knowledge to bludgeon students into submission reminds me of a professor I had, many moons ago.  He was relentless in badgering me about my opinions and interpretations, insisting that he was right and I was wrong.  Two things that make this stand out.  First, he was a National Professor of the Year, yet treated students that way.  Second, this was a philosophy class - and he didn't acknowledge differing interpretations.  Partly because of that - he was Chair of the Philosophy Department - I dropped Philosophy as a major, although I did keep it as a minor. 
5/29/2012 9:52 PM
And now look at you, pinotfan! But I bet you have a Ph.D in wine...

As to the original question...I have enjoyed learning more about 19th century baseball. The Progressive Leagues have also been good for getting the flavor of an era.
5/30/2012 1:58 AM
Posted by skinndogg on 5/27/2012 1:22:00 AM (view original):

Only positive comments on this thread please.

I'll start with this one.

Would you really know who Bob Milacki. Addie Joss, or Boogerlips was without it?
No, Yes and No.
5/30/2012 2:02 AM
Yes, yes, and no, but only because I'm an Orioles fan...
5/30/2012 2:47 AM
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