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I'd love to know what you guys think of Sewanee.  Their opponents thus far have said Sewanee baffles them, but I don't think those opponents have looked closely enough at their strategy: A ton of just OK guys with some speed/ath/def (and some decent stamina), but they just end up tiring their opponents out.  I have two questions: 1) Do you think this is a viable strategy for winning a title (clarifying: Not the fb/press, but the strategy of playing everyone over 11+ minutes a game and not having one some-what dominant player)?  2) As a team with more talent, how would you gameplan for them?  Would you go slowdown to slow their whole operation down while risking they might go slowdown as well and having a low possession upset occur, or go normal, with the possibility that you could still get tired out, or go uptempo and trust that with so many possessions, your team with more talent is bound to come out on top?
6/20/2012 11:30 PM
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Looking at the two games I would say the teams struggled with the press more than they did with a balanced team.I would run slowdown which I normally do against press teams and probably go minus 3 to clog the lane. 

Hanover had 23 turnovers and he forced California Tech into 25 turnovers
6/20/2012 11:55 PM
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Kimble, you've went 29-2 so far, trust your instincts. 

Plus, it just seems.....wrong to go to the forums asking for advice on how to gameplan against another human coach for their Sweet Sixteen matchup (Sim team, different story).  No problem with asking about advice or suggestions about what happened after the game was over, but I think I'd rather win or lose on my own, making my own decisions.  I don't know, maybe that's just me. 

Anyway, good luck with your matchup tonight.  You've got the better team and if you follow what got you to 29-2 and ranked #1, I think you should do fine.  Sorry about the little mini-rant.  Hope you have a good result when you check later.
6/21/2012 12:22 AM
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My first instinct is such a game is actually to go uptempo, though I'm slowly learning that isn't always best in HD.

Here though, they foul the hell out of people, and you have a clear advantage in speed, ath, and relevant IQ. They play 12 guys, but not all 12 are good, so I'd try to maximize the number of minutes played by guys like this.

Really though, emy is right. Forget the Hanover (tight game) and Cal Tech (horrible guard play) and just do what you do with Roanoke. It's working; don't over think it.
6/21/2012 12:50 AM
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I don't have any useful advice, but I disagree with emy regarding the OP's choice to seek advice. The other human coach knows there are forums as well presumably, right? Don't see any harm in a coach asking for some advice, even if the other team also has a human coach...let the other guy come ask for advice of his own if he wants it...what's the harm?
6/21/2012 3:05 AM
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You won 94-80. I'd say asking for forum advice was the right move
6/21/2012 3:57 AM
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I actually disagree with tk...I think for a fb/fcp team, that speed/ath/def is pretty below average.  I only see 2 guys that are any good at defense (Zoelner and Chidester...Maybe Cox if they put him at SF due to the lack of speed) and yet they force 21 TO's.  The only thing I can think of is that, while nobody is an expert in the systems, they have a ton of A- guys.  And there's not much in the way of gameplanning against that.  You had the better team and handled them pretty well.  I'd say what was supposed to happen, happened.

6/21/2012 8:14 AM
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I didn't win a title, but I had a FB/zone team in D3 make it to the final four like 3 years in a row that went 11-12 deep.  It works great until you hit a team that is just as fast and athletic and deep.  Then you have no levers to push.
6/21/2012 8:22 AM
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This team upset my hanover team in the first round and I was kind of shocked.  I am well aware of the fcp strategy of throwing out a ton of spd/ath/def, but this team really didn't even have much of that.  I was schocked that Zoellner had 12 on me when his combined lp/per is 3, shouldnt this mean that when he stands under the basket and tries to shoot he can't even get it up to the rim?  I felt like I had pretty good guard play but still turned it over a ton against mediorce defenders.  I probably should have slowed it down I guess.

I know a fcp/fb works differently in that causing turnovers creates points but  across the board my spd/ath/def was acutally much better (48/54/55 to 47/45/44) and I had much better actual players and should have won easily.  I really think sometimes playing against fcp teams is a crapshoot.  Does this mean usain bolt would put up 25-30 points if he played for mizzou running a fcp against KU??  That being said, well done to john, he put out a team that just seems to work and I can't take anything away from that.
6/21/2012 10:39 AM
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Also his team stamina was 76 and mine was 80
6/21/2012 10:39 AM
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bhizzy - The year I went to the national championship game and lost to you I ran slowdown against I think 4 press teams in a row and won them all before ultimately losing to you in the NC.

I had decided to run slowdown because the press team I was facing was extremely good and when I won that game I ran with the strategy.
6/21/2012 10:45 AM
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Posted by emy1013 on 6/21/2012 12:22:00 AM (view original):
Kimble, you've went 29-2 so far, trust your instincts. 

Plus, it just seems.....wrong to go to the forums asking for advice on how to gameplan against another human coach for their Sweet Sixteen matchup (Sim team, different story).  No problem with asking about advice or suggestions about what happened after the game was over, but I think I'd rather win or lose on my own, making my own decisions.  I don't know, maybe that's just me. 

Anyway, good luck with your matchup tonight.  You've got the better team and if you follow what got you to 29-2 and ranked #1, I think you should do fine.  Sorry about the little mini-rant.  Hope you have a good result when you check later.
To be clear, I had already made up my mind on my gameplan, but it took me a while to decide and I was fascinated by this team that appeared to not be very good yet was having success with this system, so I figured I'd post. Also, we had one person say they'd go slowdown and another say they'd go uptempo and my decision was to go normal tempo. Clearly, this is somewhat foreign to good coaches and I'm glad it started a discussion.
6/21/2012 11:25 AM
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Yea I think I might start going slowdown more often against fcp.  But like tkimble I ran a normal tempo in my game against sewanee.  I felt like my advantage in speed, ath, def, and stamina and basically every category warranted not running a slowdown lol
6/21/2012 11:53 AM
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Posted by bhizzy04 on 6/21/2012 11:53:00 AM (view original):
Yea I think I might start going slowdown more often against fcp.  But like tkimble I ran a normal tempo in my game against sewanee.  I felt like my advantage in speed, ath, def, and stamina and basically every category warranted not running a slowdown lol

Thats what I do and I beat many teams using that method.

6/21/2012 12:17 PM
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I think that right now the engine is extremely kind to 12-deep press teams, even when they have less talent than their opponents. Extremely kind.

6/21/2012 12:29 PM
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