I am prepping for a next seasons draft (current season 1964 - next season 1965) and my current 2B is moving to the OF in a couple seasons (67 to be exact).  As I am looking at the rookies coming up, there are a lot more OF's than solid 2B's coming up and I've toyed with the idea of keeping my current 2B at 2B in 67 as he is rated d/d there until 1969.  

I generally don't care about defense in the sim in general, but that usually relates to playing someone out of position in the OF or 1B, so how much worse can I expect a d/d 2B to be compared to a B or C rated 2B in this era? 

In a progressive I think it's fine to play a lousy defender. Especially in the 60s, it's not like you'll have deadball pitchers behind him and deadball hitters at the plate. 

i kinda disagree......i think pitching qnd defense wins in progrwssives.....just kinda guessing but a d/d second baseman probably costs you 40 outs over a season.......he would need a big bat to over come that

Its Pete rose:)

I've also toyed with putting Hank Aaron at 2b (also rated d/d)

then can you get an of forty outs better than a secondbaseman?

the best replacement 2B i could get would be Glenn Beckert or Horace Clarke -  when you say they would cost 40 outs, is that total - or would that be over what a b/c 2B would make? 

Doing some quick math using the League Averages page, it looks like 2B average about 5.75 chances per game, which over 162 games is 931.5 chances. So, Beckert, with a .968 FLD% works out to 29.8 errors (and you'll notice he averages 30 per season on his performance history). Clarke, with his .990 FLD% comes out at 9.3 errors (and 8 on his PH). Rose with his .959 FLD% works out to 38.2 errors (and he's barely been used at 2B on his PH, but his partial rate comes out to 32 errors there).

Now, also factor in +/- plays, (2/4, 3/1, & 0/3, respectively), and Beckert will cost you approximately 32 outs, Clarke 6, and Rose, 41. Offensively, using RC (and a typical progressive environment of ~6.5 runs per win) Beckert is worth approx 70 RC, Clarke 75, and Rose 106. Offensively, Rose is worth about 5 wins more than either of them, defensively, Beckert doesn't make that up at all defensively, while Clarke picks up about half the difference on defense. So, if Beckert is your option, then stick with Rose and draft an OF that will get you any value beyond Beckert. If Clarke is your option, I might take him, but this is only looking at one year. Long term, I like Beckert better than Clarke, but I'd prolly still take an OF and play Rose there than draft either of them and hope to get a better 2B option in future draft ('66-'68).

Don't forget double plays just......

Posted by Trentonjoe on 7/9/2012 8:52:00 PM (view original):
Don't forget double plays just......

I didn't... I just don't know how to quantify them. I know better range players are supposed to make more DP, but I haven't seen how this works in action. I routinely have D range fielders leading their position in DPs, and looking at the PHs of the same three guys above:

Beckert, with A range averages 64 DPs (per 162 games)
Clarke, with A range averages 87
Rose, with D range averages 85

DPs seem to also be very dependent upon other factors (base runners in question, the pitcher, etc...) that I don't really know how to quantify it in a meaningful way. With the data I have here, it would seem Rose is even more valuable despite the poor ratings. I know that's not correct, but it isn't demonstrably incorrect with the data and methods I know.