In an OL, or theme league, I think most of us agree that D is over priced. I am currently waiting my turn to draft a 1970 progressive league team. I wonder if the same mind set holds true in such a league. Is the relative value of a Billy North type of player higher in a prog?

IMO, really good defense is overpriced in the sim right now.  It's overpriced because if it wasn't, everyone would use it.  We know that really good defense has a big impact in the sim.

In progressive leagues, most do NOT have salary caps.  So the WIS salary of a player is irrelevant. 

What is relevant is how well the player performs.  And we already know that really great defense has a big impact in the sim.    So just ignore the player salary and pay attention to his offensive and defensive stats, and make your decision based on what he will do for you, not what he will cost.

I think the value is higher in progressives.

+ plays save outs and innings. In a progressive league, the bottom of your bullpen is usually bad. So every + play when a starter is on the mound is transferring 1 out from your bad pitchers to your good ones. 

And even your starters are usually lower quality than they would be in an OL, so every + play makes them look a little better. 

I personally only look at defense if I am drafting SS or C - if its LF/RF/1B I don't even care if they are rated at the position - CF/2B/3B I'll try to get someone with a C+ or higher, but if they are good offensively, I don't really care.  

I agree with biglenr regarding salary - in progressives it doesn't mean a thing.  Ask trentonjoe how many sub 70M teams he's had win a WS in a progressive against a 85-90+mil team (I am sure other owners have done it regularly as well).  It's all about how they perform for you - if they have bad defense, will there offense make up for it?  If a guy makes 40 errors, and causes 30 unearned runs (cause lets be honest, not every error causes a run to score) but offensively he scores 100 runs, and drives in 100 runs, isn't he far surpassing his bad defense??  

Posted by boogerlips on 7/27/2012 1:47:00 PM (view original):
5

why not 4? or 6? and, what does this have to do with the sex life of the tse tse fly? Or the price of tea in China? Or the price of beans in Argentina?

1) 5 - I agree completely. 

2) the tse-tse fly lives only in East Africa, so cattle are predominant in West Africa, where women traditionally control the markets through their own cooperative association. The price of tea in China comes in two monetary denominations: renminbi is what people use inside China, and Yuan are for foreign exchange, so please specify. By the way, doing what the Chinese do and keeping the Euro for exchange outside your national borders and bringing back the drachma, lira and peso etc. for domestic Keynesian growth policies is part of the solution to the crisis in Europe today. 

This would enable more players from Europe to learn about baseball as the economy expands, including left-handed second-basemen, etc. as BL's answer clearly indicates if you look closely since 5 is the number for 

3) Yes, third base. The one part of the infield other than 1B that a left-handed player would be feasible and could change the whole the question of how to calculate defense. Could play further from the line and still cover the hole, and would have an advantage for 5-4-3 double plays. 

4) I don't think they grow a lot of beans in Argentina, though the leftist policies of first Kirchner and then Christine Kirchner-Fernandez have lifted hundreds of thousands out of poverty, and produced a growth rate that would be the envy of any country but China. 

2. Deutschmark uber alles.

4. Viva frijoles.

4)  Sorry, can't speak well of someone who nationalizes industries; also, while growth has been strong, it slipped to its lowest point in over two years recently.  The continued expansion of leftist policies is making the international community quite wary of investment.

I understand pinotfan and as always respect your views and intelligence. But "international community" is a phrase I would use to define those who are quite wary of investors. 

But do let's stay on baseball, even though I admit I opened this particular can of worms, or as they say in Cuba, gusanos.

ps, Ronald Reagan nationalized a number of banks while president and the Homestead Act during the Lincoln Administration, nationalized about half the land on the continent as Lenin pointed out when he called it the largest, most radical land reform in history before 1917. 

Posted by italyprof on 7/30/2012 1:52:00 PM (view original):
ps, Ronald Reagan nationalized a number of banks while president and the Homestead Act during the Lincoln Administration, nationalized about half the land on the continent as Lenin pointed out when he called it the largest, most radical land reform in history before 1917. 

Read the series of books by Harry Turtledove that starts with "How few Remain" about the Confederacy winning the American Civil War.  He takes the series to about 10 novels, that ends with USA/Germany beating CSA/England/France/Japan at the end of WWII. 

Turtledove is a trained historian and expert in the art of writing in the genre of "alternative history". 

In this book, Lincoln survives the war,is ostracized by the Republican party, and forms a new party.  Using Lincoln's own words (admittedly taken out of context), Turtledove has Lincoln become a Marxist, and the founder of the American Socialist Party.    In later books in the series, communist revolutionaries cite the works of "Marx, Engels, and Lincoln".

Very interesting reading, and a very unusual way of thinking about the first Republican president, who was actually extremely radical for his time. 

But could he hit the curve ball ? 

No, but deadly with the 3 point shot

Posted by biglenr on 7/30/2012 3:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by italyprof on 7/30/2012 1:52:00 PM (view original):
ps, Ronald Reagan nationalized a number of banks while president and the Homestead Act during the Lincoln Administration, nationalized about half the land on the continent as Lenin pointed out when he called it the largest, most radical land reform in history before 1917. 

Read the series of books by Harry Turtledove that starts with "How few Remain" about the Confederacy winning the American Civil War.  He takes the series to about 10 novels, that ends with USA/Germany beating CSA/England/France/Japan at the end of WWII. 

Turtledove is a trained historian and expert in the art of writing in the genre of "alternative history". 

In this book, Lincoln survives the war,is ostracized by the Republican party, and forms a new party.  Using Lincoln's own words (admittedly taken out of context), Turtledove has Lincoln become a Marxist, and the founder of the American Socialist Party.    In later books in the series, communist revolutionaries cite the works of "Marx, Engels, and Lincoln".

Very interesting reading, and a very unusual way of thinking about the first Republican president, who was actually extremely radical for his time. 

I will have to check those out...love alternate history readings.