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steuarjd
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I would love to see the +/- added to the available stats in HD.  The guy I would really be interested in seeing this for is right here: www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx

In two games he has amazing stats coming off the bench (12ppg, 6apg, 60%/56%/85%). However, I want to know how much the '1' rating in defense is hurting the team when he is in. 

Anybody else echo these sentiments? It would really help me when trying to pick between two similar players.

8/6/2012 4:39 PM
Trentonjoe
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You know,  I wonder if he is THAT bad.   I mean he has to be bad but is he that bad in the Press?  He is averaging a steal a game,   And in the press it's supposed to be a constant double team.  Maybe it isn't that bad....

I don't know, I am just thinking out loud...
8/6/2012 4:59 PM
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Pretty sure there is a whole heap of evidence that ath/spd >>>>> def in producing steals.  But I'll bet that guy gives up like 75% shooting.
8/6/2012 5:21 PM
jack_duck
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Agree with isack.  The steal is probably irrelevant to the type of defender he actually is.  Esp if you play against a slasher, he'll blow by that guy and get 10 layups.  Hooper would hurt you a lot if you tried to start him regularly.
8/7/2012 10:38 AM
steuarjd
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Aaaaaand the percentages are gone. But I recruited him to be instant offense off the bench, I never planned on starting him. 
8/7/2012 2:44 PM
skinzfan36
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not surprised his %'s went down. He will struggle big time against teams like that with players who are more athletic, similar spd, and good d.

imo this guys 1 def is not worth the scoring he offers. probably is killing you on the defensive end. I would not even play him other than against bad sim teams.
8/7/2012 9:21 PM
jenningss
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Kenpom had an article about +/-. Mr. Pomeroy used to be a fan of it 'till figuring out that random variability in the short college basketball season was the single biggest factor rendering the stat virtually useless. He left it open about NBA season though. Still, I'd like to see +/- as an HD stat.
8/8/2012 3:48 AM
m4284850
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I counted, and he was +2 in the first half (I didn't want to count the whole game) of the Depauw game. This was a game where they were losing by 6 at the end of the first half.

8/8/2012 10:47 AM
coach_billyg
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Posted by isack24 on 8/6/2012 5:21:00 PM (view original):
Pretty sure there is a whole heap of evidence that ath/spd >>>>> def in producing steals.  But I'll bet that guy gives up like 75% shooting.
thats not really the case any more, any of the 3 can help you can a lot of steals now. it used to be all about speed, for steals. i have a soph on a good team pulling 1.8 steals, never had that before, with 42 speed. his ath/def are both very good though. ive definitely noticed the correlation between steals and defense is stronger than it was before the new engine. i mean, its still probably a slightly smaller factor than the other two, but not by large margins.
8/8/2012 1:53 PM
steuarjd
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Posted by skinzfan36 on 8/7/2012 9:21:00 PM (view original):
not surprised his %'s went down. He will struggle big time against teams like that with players who are more athletic, similar spd, and good d.

imo this guys 1 def is not worth the scoring he offers. probably is killing you on the defensive end. I would not even play him other than against bad sim teams.
But my point is that there's really no way to know unless you're like the other guy who counted through the box score. 

If not +/-, some other metric to determine a player's overall value would be nice (PER?)
8/9/2012 5:20 PM
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