So I was looking over my pbp from this afternoons game and I noticed multiple times where the system substituted one of my big men in for my pg. I checked my depth chart just to confirm I didn't put someone in the wrong place and I did not

I ran uptempo in this game because it was a weaker opponent. I know I only have 10 scholarship payers so normally would not run uptempo, but I wanted to try something and it does not seem as though fatigue was a serious issue because in all but one of the boxes with fatigue it shows everyone in fresh or fairly fresh.

I'm just not understanding why players are going in out of position if its not set that way in the depth chart. I figure if it was an issue of fatigue, they would just continue to show the guys getting more tired.

Ticket worthy?

at 6:50 and 6:37 of the first half there are some strange subs.
at 2:32 my sf comes in for my pg.

2nd half
at 18:40 my PF comes in for my pg (only change)
at 16:26
at 16:03 it shows my center is playing pg

http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/GameResults/playbyplay.aspx?gid=8498994&half=2

Since you ran uptempo, there were alot more possessions and going minus 2 would also create more personal fouls which is why you substition pattern went all out of whack.  Your guards got into some early foul trouble and unless you have your settings for Foul Trouble setting on your player game plan set to More Aggressive, the SIM will start to substitute different position players in (and it look like you are only running a 3 guard rotation for the two spots).

By half time, both your starting SG/PG had 3 fouls each so the SIM didn't want them to foul out before the end of the game.

Terrance Cox fouled out with more than 7 minutes remaining in the game so you were down to only Dossantos and Thorton, did you expect them to play the full 7 minutes remaining?

Did you have your depth chart completely full--all four slots for each position? When I've had weirdness like that, it has only been when my depth chart wasn't completely filled out.

fair enough, but wouldn't it make more sense to put in my backup sg or even sf for more minutes especially when both are on the depth chart as backup guards both of which only had 1 foul each?

Are you sure they weren't already in and just slid over?  If you don't see a current depth chart graphic with a guy in a weird spot you have to double check that you don't actually have your C coming in at PF, the guy currently in at PF sliding over to SF, your current SF sliding over to PG, and the current PG coming out, or something like that.  I set my lineups so I have substitutions like this all the time, with one or more guys simply changing positions on the court.  I like to do it that way so that I can try to keep my 5 freshest players on the court as often as possible.

Posted by poncho2799 on 8/7/2012 4:53:00 PM (view original):
fair enough, but wouldn't it make more sense to put in my backup sg or even sf for more minutes especially when both are on the depth chart as backup guards both of which only had 1 foul each?

Well since you commented that the SIM substituted your SF for your PG, I'd assume that no SF was listed in the depth chart for the PG position (which is why you would of mentioned your surprise that he was substituted in).  Based on that I'd assummed that your depth chart looked like:

PG:     Cox, Thorton
SG:     Dossantos, Thorton

If you have some of your SFs listed below them I would of expected them to get some time at the guard positions in other games otherwise unless you have your fatigue settings below Fairly Fresh.

Unless you are implying that WIS should first substitute SFs for guard positions before big men when it has to go to someone NOT listed on the depth chart.

Your backup SG was in the game with 7 minutes remaining along with your starting SG... your starting PG had fouled out so did you really expect those two to play the entire 7 minutes remaining in the game at an uptempo pace?
 

In fact, that sub at 18:40 shows your PF coming in at PF, so something like that is exactly what happened.  The position in parentheses is the position they're subbing in at.  If you don't believe me, look at William Warlick entering as an SG at 17:30 and an SF at 13:57.

Posted by drsnell on 8/7/2012 4:51:00 PM (view original):
Did you have your depth chart completely full--all four slots for each position? When I've had weirdness like that, it has only been when my depth chart wasn't completely filled out.

no depth chart is not completely filled out. pg has cox starting and dossantos backing him. sg has dossantos starter with thorton and warlick as backups. sf has grieco starting and warlick and gilmer backups.

I know it's a bit odd because dossantos is starting in one and backup at the other, but he has high stamina at 90, and is the next best option I have for a pg, but imo is too good not to start over the alternatives.

Posted by buddhagamer on 8/7/2012 5:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by poncho2799 on 8/7/2012 4:53:00 PM (view original):
fair enough, but wouldn't it make more sense to put in my backup sg or even sf for more minutes especially when both are on the depth chart as backup guards both of which only had 1 foul each?

Well since you commented that the SIM substituted your SF for your PG, I'd assume that no SF was listed in the depth chart for the PG position (which is why you would of mentioned your surprise that he was substituted in).  Based on that I'd assummed that your depth chart looked like:

PG:     Cox, Thorton
SG:     Dossantos, Thorton

If you have some of your SFs listed below them I would of expected them to get some time at the guard positions in other games otherwise unless you have your fatigue settings below Fairly Fresh.

Unless you are implying that WIS should first substitute SFs for guard positions before big men when it has to go to someone NOT listed on the depth chart.

Your backup SG was in the game with 7 minutes remaining along with your starting SG... your starting PG had fouled out so did you really expect those two to play the entire 7 minutes remaining in the game at an uptempo pace?
 

budd, yes I'm implying that sim should first have a SF in for guard positions before big men.

In the depth chart the SF is listed for backup shooting guard which in case of foul trouble or fatigue I figure would allow my starting SG to slide over to pg and backup sg and SF to play at sg. In a case though where there are further subs needed at pg, I would imagine the engine would slide either the other sg to pg and the sf to play at sg or even a sf to slide to pg before playing a PF or a C there.

Posted by dahsdebater on 8/7/2012 5:05:00 PM (view original):
In fact, that sub at 18:40 shows your PF coming in at PF, so something like that is exactly what happened.  The position in parentheses is the position they're subbing in at.  If you don't believe me, look at William Warlick entering as an SG at 17:30 and an SF at 13:57.

You are also right dahs where a player that was already in just slid over, but if you are going to slide anyone over, why would they slide my PF or C to pg?

I understand again that there was foul troubles so that the engine would have to go beyond my depth chart settings, but I have 2 backup SF and a backup sg to choose from before going to the bigs (none of which were in foul trouble or fatigued).

Are you paying attention to my comments at all?  What you just described IS WHAT HAPPENED.  Just because a C comes in and a PG comes out does NOT mean the C comes in at PG.  Most likely your SG slid over to PG, your SF slid over to SG - as you have said they are allowed to do based on the depth chart - and presumably either both of your posts slid down one spot or your starting C moved to SF.  Which substitution, specifically, are you worried about?  Does it actually name your C and then put (PG) after his name?  The position in parentheses in the boxscore is the position the player is entering in.

Whatever it is, my guess is Dossantos was playing PG after the sub.

Just tell me where, on the clock, it shows a post player actually playing PG.

If I've learned one thing about WIS, is that most of their engines don't do what we think they should do... only what we tell them to do.  If you don't list a player at a position and you think they should sub in this type of player if they had to pick one, they'll pick a completely different one based on some different principle rather than what you think they should do (ex. try to give a scrub more minutes than a better player who might be tired already).

If you only wanted guards to cycle thru your positions, then I'd suggest you set your depth chart to:

PG: Cox -> Dossantos -> Thorton -> Warlick
SG: Dossantos -> Thorton -> Warlick -> Cox

or something along those lines so that if you do get into foul trouble, you don't leave it up to WIS to decide that your C is the best choice to play PG for you.

Posted by dahsdebater on 8/7/2012 6:00:00 PM (view original):
Just tell me where, on the clock, it shows a post player actually playing PG.

I think at 16:03 of the 2nd half in the game in question, it lists his starting C (Kevin Ruddy) playing the PG position.

This actually happens a lot. Your PF may come in for your PG but then somebody who is already in the game is most likely on your depth chart at PG so that person slides over to PG, and whoever was playing PF slides over to another position that they are listed at on the depth chart. So for example the SG that is in the game slides over to PG and the PF that is in the game slides over to C.