one of my recruits was more of a back up and i wanted to test the market while keeping him in my back pocket. so, i inform of rs during the cycle immediately preceding signings. i get the following message: "Coach, are you serious? You want to redshirt me? Come on, I should be starting not sitting. I'm checking out other options." one minute later (i.e., same cycle) he signs. i spent less than $1500 on this recruit. i know i could / should have removed the scholarship, etc. and not griping about this - just pointing this out. this method (inform of rs) worked for me 100% of the time in seasons past. guess that door is closed.

I can't comment on this exact situation because whenever I've informed of RS I've also always pulled the schollie if I didn't want him. 

I don't think recruit automatically drops you even before the update. I have had recruits consider me after I informed RS, where my only effort was 1 HV, even before the update. 

the inform of RS button is useful, but complex 

there is no rule about whether a kid will drop you - it depends on lots of stuff.  It is pretty clear from my experience that a kid who is ranked rather low and is delighted that you are chasing him will be more likely to accept the RS intent without complaint.  A kid who is a stretch for you is less likely.  Effort, prior to the RS button OR together with it,  can make a big difference.

I dont know, but I suspect that there is also something in the coding for each player that affects willingness to RS - team player etc.  Maybe.

Hell, even rescinding the offer won't necessarily drop you from his list. Which I find absurd.

Back in the day (as in pre-2008) the game allowed you to inform many recruits and put RS on them.

Now, if a player is worth my recruiting, unless he's a desperation pitch by me to fulfill all of my scholarships near the end of recruiting, then he always wants to drop me if I want to RS him. Maybe players rated lower wouldn't do that, but in those cases, I almost never want to recruit them anyway. But that's just me.

Posted by bistiza on 9/3/2012 11:03:00 PM (view original):
Back in the day (as in pre-2008) the game allowed you to inform many recruits and put RS on them.

Now, if a player is worth my recruiting, unless he's a desperation pitch by me to fulfill all of my scholarships near the end of recruiting, then he always wants to drop me if I want to RS him. Maybe players rated lower wouldn't do that, but in those cases, I almost never want to recruit them anyway. But that's just me.

A little confused by the first sentence, could you clarify?

Posted by tianyi7886 on 9/2/2012 10:14:00 PM (view original):
I don't think recruit automatically drops you even before the update. I have had recruits consider me after I informed RS, where my only effort was 1 HV, even before the update. 

Same.  But in this specific instance, he gets a pretty negative response.  Seems odd that he'd sign after obviously not liking the RS idea.

Posted by udm_mike on 9/4/2012 1:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tianyi7886 on 9/2/2012 10:14:00 PM (view original):
I don't think recruit automatically drops you even before the update. I have had recruits consider me after I informed RS, where my only effort was 1 HV, even before the update. 

Same.  But in this specific instance, he gets a pretty negative response.  Seems odd that he'd sign after obviously not liking the RS idea.

+1.

i was expecting him to drop me anyways (i never had the "good fortune" that other coaches had with a recruit accepting the inform of rs with minimal recruiting effort). what was completely off is that @ 8:00 he says he's upset (i.e., a typical response when informing after minimal recruiting efforts), and he signs @ 8:01. 

angmar,

It used to be when you wanted to redshirt someone, if you hit inform recruit of redshirt, they rarely voiced an objection. Some did, but most did not, at least in my expereince. Or they might indicate they were disappointed but would accept it anyway - that was very common.

Now, even the lowest rated recruit you have will usually balk at the idea he's being redshirted, which I find unrealistic. Many players would realize they aren't as talented as others or would want to take the chance to improve for an extra year.

Posted by bistiza on 9/5/2012 8:35:00 AM (view original):
angmar,

It used to be when you wanted to redshirt someone, if you hit inform recruit of redshirt, they rarely voiced an objection. Some did, but most did not, at least in my expereince. Or they might indicate they were disappointed but would accept it anyway - that was very common.

Now, even the lowest rated recruit you have will usually balk at the idea he's being redshirted, which I find unrealistic. Many players would realize they aren't as talented as others or would want to take the chance to improve for an extra year.

It really doesn't require that much extra effort to make most players ok with the idea though.  Just notify of RS and then throw a visit or scouting eval or 2 his way and quite often he won't even kick you off the considering list.

Posted by jtt8355 on 9/5/2012 8:21:00 AM (view original):

Posted by udm_mike on 9/4/2012 1:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tianyi7886 on 9/2/2012 10:14:00 PM (view original):
I don't think recruit automatically drops you even before the update. I have had recruits consider me after I informed RS, where my only effort was 1 HV, even before the update. 

Same.  But in this specific instance, he gets a pretty negative response.  Seems odd that he'd sign after obviously not liking the RS idea.

+1.

i was expecting him to drop me anyways (i never had the "good fortune" that other coaches had with a recruit accepting the inform of rs with minimal recruiting effort). what was completely off is that @ 8:00 he says he's upset (i.e., a typical response when informing after minimal recruiting efforts), and he signs @ 8:01. 

thats normal, its happened to me before, too. not saying it makes sense, but still :) a player will send you that ****** off message without you falling off his list, ive seen it a bunch of times before signings. im not sure if its like, certain players who dont want the redshirt will ALWAYS *****, even if you have the effort to overcome it, or if players will ***** if you either 1) don't have the effort to overcome it or 2) barely have enough effort to overcome it. i usually play it close to the max required effort to avoid wasting money... so i can't really tell which of the 2 it might be, it could be either, although if i had to guess, #1 makes more sense to me.

Posted by bistiza on 9/5/2012 8:35:00 AM (view original):
angmar,

It used to be when you wanted to redshirt someone, if you hit inform recruit of redshirt, they rarely voiced an objection. Some did, but most did not, at least in my expereince. Or they might indicate they were disappointed but would accept it anyway - that was very common.

Now, even the lowest rated recruit you have will usually balk at the idea he's being redshirted, which I find unrealistic. Many players would realize they aren't as talented as others or would want to take the chance to improve for an extra year.

most of the lower rated recruits ive talked to have absolutely no problem with the redshirt. some times i use it to try to get guys to stop considering me, after just a couple evals, and they wont. and besides, any player you are talking to IS WILLING to take the redshirt, you just have to woo them a bit harder. i believe some players in d1 refuse redshirts absolutely, but i don't think that can happen in d2/d3.

and for what its worth, since 2008 i think you said, there definitely was a published change (you can probably still find it in the release notes or dev chat) to the inform of redshirt button. if i remember correctly, it made it slightly harder to use in general, and also, i think it was the change that made it possible for a recruit to absolutely refuse a redshirt (meaning no effort can overcome it). i believe the change was in response to complaints about coaches redshirting 5 star d1 players.

Posted by bistiza on 9/5/2012 8:35:00 AM (view original):
angmar,

It used to be when you wanted to redshirt someone, if you hit inform recruit of redshirt, they rarely voiced an objection. Some did, but most did not, at least in my expereince. Or they might indicate they were disappointed but would accept it anyway - that was very common.

Now, even the lowest rated recruit you have will usually balk at the idea he's being redshirted, which I find unrealistic. Many players would realize they aren't as talented as others or would want to take the chance to improve for an extra year.

They balk, but will usually accept - if you either had already put out enough effort on them or if you add some sugar along with the redshirt.

There was a guy at DIII who refused a redshirt even when I gave him 5 HVs and a CV, so finally I backed off and removed the redshirt and he signed immediately. That's been my biggest recent expereince with this.