Why can't I get a foot in the door? Topic

1st phone call....."backup option right now, but keep in touch, do...do it".
Spent some ST's on him and liked what I saw.
Sent a few HV's that were turned down.
Then he's considering another DII school.
Our prestige is B-, his D+. Both coaches "Spotless" and same distance apart.   
Pour 10 more ST's, but he still turns down HV's. 
I still have plenty left, but he's telling me now that he isn't sure and thinks he's gonna land at a bigger program. 
However, he's still only considering the D+ team. Also, my FSS on this player doesn't list any, "word on the street or our sources say..." stuff so I can have some idea how committed he is to this D+ program. 

Any advice? Can someone tell me if I'm missing something. 

9/26/2012 11:47 PM (edited)
First, check out this info on pulldowns, it may give you some answers. 

In short, pulldowns won't accept home visits or campus visits until you pull them down with scouting trips. It generally takes around 10-15 of these. If another school is also trying to pull him it can cost more. I have spent up to 40 on occasion to pull down a recruit.  If the D+ pulled him, you could have as well. It is likely that the D+ sent more scouting trips than you did and got to the magic number quicker. Now that the kid is considering someone it may take a few more to pull him. You can still pull him if you want to badly enough. Then you will battle the D+ for him. Any effort put in for evals to pull down only has a tiny fraction of normal effort towards recruiting value however. 

You may want to remove any specific spending info from this thread so your potential D+ opponent doesn't see it as well.
9/26/2012 9:38 PM
I am having the same problem. It really is quite frustrating, he isnt even a pulldown. I have sent multiple HVs and Scouts to him on multiple cycles, and he just refuses to respond.
9/26/2012 10:09 PM
there are some players who think they are too good for you - thats the way it is
9/26/2012 10:18 PM
Posted by caesari on 9/26/2012 10:09:00 PM (view original):
I am having the same problem. It really is quite frustrating, he isnt even a pulldown. I have sent multiple HVs and Scouts to him on multiple cycles, and he just refuses to respond.
You have to send a phone call first for some recruits.
9/26/2012 11:07 PM
Start small to finish big.

The simplest thing is to call the player's coach and get some info from him. He will ALWAYS respond and usually will tell you if you have a shot as a backup or no chance - and no chance really means NO chance in my expereince.

Then you may have to call the player or send info a few times if he's really tough.

Then it's STs until he agrees to talk to you.

Then HVs for a bit until he'll take CVs.

Then you (hopefully) get him to sign.
9/27/2012 9:23 AM
did you offer him a scholarship?  
9/27/2012 9:26 AM
Posted by bistiza on 9/27/2012 9:23:00 AM (view original):
Start small to finish big.

The simplest thing is to call the player's coach and get some info from him. He will ALWAYS respond and usually will tell you if you have a shot as a backup or no chance - and no chance really means NO chance in my expereince.

Then you may have to call the player or send info a few times if he's really tough.

Then it's STs until he agrees to talk to you.

Then HVs for a bit until he'll take CVs.

Then you (hopefully) get him to sign.
bistiza, no offense intended, but that is about half wrong..
coaches will always reply, that is true. I don't mind calling the kid though, if he rejects the call that's as good as a no and it saves the $10 (no big deal and yes, you sometimes get off/def set info from the coach, so to each his own on that one)
player may take calls and letters, but they have very little value for pulling down, and almost no value as far as effort before the recruit gets pulled or drops. (effort spent to pull down has a built in limiter - it doesn't have the same value as effort spent for a kid you can recruit normally.)
Once he talks to you (ie use evals til you are listed as considering) use either HVs or CVs depending upon which is the better value at that distance. 
9/27/2012 10:20 AM
Small quibble, for about one in a million coach calls there won't be a reply.  Had that happen in Knight this time around.
9/27/2012 10:57 AM
You use evals until you are listed as considering? That's a lot of evals.

I usually just use evals until the guy sends a message saying he wants to talk. Half the time its something about basket weaving.
9/27/2012 12:51 PM
I have had players email me and be on my  D3 list during recruiting and have no other schools after them, so I recruit them and they turn down my HV's.  I have to send some scouting their way for them to accept the visits..  Again-they are on my D3 list......Very strange but it has happened the last few times I have recruited and in different worlds...
9/27/2012 1:57 PM
I think it's just because a guy emails you doesn't necessarily mean he's open to HVs immediately. You have to 'woo' him, so to speak, with STs and the like.
9/27/2012 2:31 PM
Posted by chichisteve on 9/27/2012 1:57:00 PM (view original):
I have had players email me and be on my  D3 list during recruiting and have no other schools after them, so I recruit them and they turn down my HV's.  I have to send some scouting their way for them to accept the visits..  Again-they are on my D3 list......Very strange but it has happened the last few times I have recruited and in different worlds...
This same thing has happened to me, but only recently, in say the last 2 or so seasons in recruiting. It seems like there has been a change. I have also been party to the situation where I get a scholly message saying I am ahead, then get no scholly message telling me I'm behind and have the kid sign at a different school. The latter situation is something that just started happening as well...

One other thing I've noticed is it seems like sims are putting in a TON more effort on recruits, making it quite a bit harder to beat out the sim. I used to be able to send 1 CV/offer scholly and I would take the lead. Now it seems like a lot more effort needs to be sent, and again, this is something I only just recently noticed happening.

Not saying that any of these situations is actually bad for the game as it does make the sim more competitive, I'm just observing.
9/27/2012 2:39 PM
Exactly BD.  It started for me the last few seasons of recruiting also..
9/27/2012 4:31 PM
It does seem as if the sims are putting more effort into recruiting lately.
9/27/2012 8:36 PM
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