I lost my first kid over a broken promise when Naismith rolled over...I'm not whining, because I didn't meet the criteria I'd promised. Mea culpa. That said, I was clearly mistaken over the "warning signs" players give indicating where they might leave, so I'm hoping someone can clarify for me where I erred. The timeline:

1. Kid complains 6 games into year or so regarding playing less than promised amount. WE drops by 2 (-2 from starting value)
2. Kid complains again shorly after conf. play starts, WE drops another 2 points. (-4 from starting value)
3. I play the kid more, he sends the "thank you" email. WE recovers 2 points (still -2 from starting value) <<< I had always been under the impression based on something I was told way back when starting the game that as long I recover the second WE drop, I'm in zero danger of the player departing...clearly this is not true.
4. I never hear from the kid the rest of the season. He finishes the regular season averaging 12.3 mpg (82 percent of promise) and down 2 WE from where he started the year, I know some kids are pickier and expect 90 percent of the promise, but since he never complained again or dropped further WE during the last 1/2 of the regular season, I figured I was in the clear. Or am I wrong in the methodology for calculating how to keep the player happy and instead of averaging a set percentage of the minutes promise over the course of the season, he needs to hit the promised minutes figure in a certain percentage of games played?

As an epilogue here, I'll add that I've also long been under the impression that conference tournament, national tournament and PIT games are irrelevant when it comes to minutes promises and that, like promised starts, they are expected solely during the regular season. If this is wrong, then this is clearly where I screwed the pooch because I didn't even try to get him close to his minutes in the postseason.

I don't think the post-season is included in your promises. I never honor them after the regular season.

I believe he needs to hit the promised minutes from the time of the first complaint.,,i.e. you get a 'start over'.   From that day until the end of the regular season, how many minutes did he average?   If it was over the promised 15,  he should've stayed . If it was less than 15, he's at risk.

When I read the first line through for the first time, I thought you meant you lost a kid in real life due to something you did in HD and wondered how they were related. Then I came to my senses, but it's making me LOL now.

On the actual topic, I don't usually promise minutes in order to avoid issues like this, so I don't know how that works.

LOL...sorry for the confusion bistiza. I usually only promise 10 mpg as that's an easy target to hit for just about any player since I run FCP on defense with that particular team, but gave this kid 15 as I was running low on cash after getting DI'd off my first two choices that recruiting period. I didn't have a "Plan D" that I liked, so I wanted to be sure I got the kid.

Like I said, totally my fault he's leaving. I'm just trying to figure out where my understanding of the game fell short (thank you alblack!)

red, did he play in every game and average 12.3mpg?  I think it considers games missed completely in the calculation, so that could be an issue as that would effectively lower his true mpg.

But in general, I'd agree with your impressions about how it works.  I'm surprised the kid left based on what you said.  I very regularly promise starts/min and flirt with the line where they'll complain..and I can't remember the last time I had a kid transfer for it.

Like everything else in WIS, it was probably a "dice roll" instead of a hard yes or no..maybe you just got unlucky and lost a 95% roll. 

Posted by killbatman on 6/12/2013 11:34:00 AM (view original):
red, did he play in every game and average 12.3mpg?  I think it considers games missed completely in the calculation, so that could be an issue as that would effectively lower his true mpg.

But in general, I'd agree with your impressions about how it works.  I'm surprised the kid left based on what you said.  I very regularly promise starts/min and flirt with the line where they'll complain..and I can't remember the last time I had a kid transfer for it.

Like everything else in WIS, it was probably a "dice roll" instead of a hard yes or no..maybe you just got unlucky and lost a 95% roll. 

Red, this is a true statement. If the player did not play in some games, there is a mpg average that is calculated that is not cosmetically shown. I had the same situation for a player who got injured. I had promised a certain number of minutes (maybe 10 I think). Then he got hurt bad enough that he could not play and I had him on the bench. At some point, they are able to play again, not sure what the number was (maybe 60 or 70), but he was over that number and I still had him on the bench. When I looked at his statistics, his mpg showed as over 15, but when adding the games he could play in and was still not playing, the average fell below 10 and he started to complain. I submitted a ticked and CS explained it to me. So while his stats showed over 15 mpg, his actual avg was maybe 8.

Posted by killbatman on 6/12/2013 11:34:00 AM (view original):
red, did he play in every game and average 12.3mpg?  I think it considers games missed completely in the calculation, so that could be an issue as that would effectively lower his true mpg.

But in general, I'd agree with your impressions about how it works.  I'm surprised the kid left based on what you said.  I very regularly promise starts/min and flirt with the line where they'll complain..and I can't remember the last time I had a kid transfer for it.

Like everything else in WIS, it was probably a "dice roll" instead of a hard yes or no..maybe you just got unlucky and lost a 95% roll. 

Yes, he was in every single game during the regular season, ending with a 12.3 mpg average (which dropped in the postseason, but we all seem to be in agreement that minutes promises, like starts, are regular-season only things. so that would be a non-factor in his decision). Missed games due to anything other than being sub-60 in health, are counted for purposes of minutes (and starts) from my understanding  as well.

It definitely was a dice roll thing -- I've had kids take harder WE hits over minutes/promises and they were still back on the roster the following season. I was just surprised mainly because being subject to that dice roll at all was in conflict with what I thought to be true about the game. The fact that he'd recovered the second WE drop AND never re-complained or lost further WE over the last 1/3-1/2 of the season had me thinking I was immune from the risk.

If it had to happen, I'm glad it was with this kid and not some destined-to-be 800+ prodigy (wait, my teams don't sign players like that anyhow...)

If it is minutes you promised, I believe I had read that average does not matter. Just did he receive the promised minutes in 90% of the games. I could be wrong though.

I was under the same impression as paynebrow so if that is incorrect, would appreciate insight