Progressive Boycott? Topic

seamar_116
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Would you support a boycott of progressive leagues until Sim League Baseball is updated?
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12/19/2013 8:59 PM
italyprof
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As I wrote in the other forum, it would need to be an active boycott, in the sense that each commissioner of each league boycotted - perhaps even every team owner - would need to BOTH write to admin. explaining that they were joining the boycott AND post such a message in a boycott forum so we could know how effective we were being.

Also people would need to check in regularly during such a boycott, so we keep updated on news and progress and also in case we needed to make a quick decision about ending the boycott because something substantial had been won. 

Yes, I have experience at doing this stuff and yes, I have organized and run strikes and boycotts before. Anyway, I answered yes that I would support a boycott but would only counsel us starting one if we were pretty organized and knew what we wanted to accomplish and how we would know we had "won". But yes.
12/20/2013 2:07 PM
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I would be willing to boycott and would actively let admin know why via, email, posts, and support tickets... but there would need to be some definite organization to the boycott and not just something here and something there...
12/21/2013 1:34 AM
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I both emailed FoxSports and sent a ticket to WiS. they initially questioned what neglected updates I was referring to, then, when I provided them with a quote for developers, informed me yesterday that a "State of WiS" address would be issued yesterday. I don't see it though.
12/21/2013 10:08 AM
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Oh, and the reason I am posting this here is that I told them I would not be spending anymore money on this site without improved gameplay and usability.
12/21/2013 10:11 AM
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I thought the progressives was the only positive thing about WIS left.
12/21/2013 12:27 PM
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Posted by mlent on 12/21/2013 12:27:00 PM (view original):
I thought the progressives was the only positive thing about WIS left.
I believe they are. I am a commissioner in four progressive and play in a few more. One of the long time (5+ real years) leagues and one of the ones that has been relatively shorter (just under a year) has just folded due to lack of interest in WiS. The long time league is actively discussion leaving WiS for other sites. We really don't want to do this has most of us have been with WiS for a long time (myself more than 10 years) but when the proposed "2012" update won't even happen in 2013 we will do what we must. I will definitely support this boycott with the few leagues that I commish that have survived.
12/21/2013 2:39 PM
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I really doubt a boycott is going to do what you want it to. I think it's much more likely to cause a mass exodus than it is to revitalize the site. I'd rather keep playing with the level it is - aggressively asking for an update - instead of losing it altogether. 
12/21/2013 4:41 PM
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What mattedesa said.  A boycott would no doubt kill some progs (even on the off-chance that it lead to WIS actually updating the game for the better).

Most progs have a tenuous existence as it is.  An Open League boycott might make more sense, because:

a) Lack of pricing updates negatively affect OL's while having no effect on progs (seriously, are OL's ever boring with those cookie lineups).
b) OL's would still continue to exist (you obviously couldn't convince everyone to stop playing them), and even after a boycott could be as strong as ever.  
c) No hard feelings among pro- and anti-boycott owners with an OL boycott.  Whereas some owners would leave their progs (or even WIS) if a boycott halted a prog against their wishes.

Would WIS notice/care if the number of new Open Leagues decreased by, say, 50% during a boycott?  They might.
12/22/2013 1:04 AM (edited)
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Posted by crazystengel on 12/22/2013 1:04:00 AM (view original):
What mattedesa said.  A boycott would no doubt kill some progs (even on the off-chance that it lead to WIS actually updating the game for the better).

Most progs have a tenuous existence as it is.  An Open League boycott might make more sense, because:

a) Lack of pricing updates negatively affect OL's while having no effect on progs (seriously, are OL's ever boring with those cookie lineups).
b) OL's would still continue to exist (you obviously couldn't convince everyone to stop playing them), and even after a boycott could be as strong as ever.  
c) No hard feelings among pro- and anti-boycott owners with an OL boycott.  Whereas some owners would leave their progs (or even WIS) if a boycott halted a prog against their wishes.

Would WIS notice/care if the number of new Open Leagues decreased by, say, 50% during a boycott?  They might.
I agree with crazy on this...a boycott of progressives (even a half-hearted one) would end up killing progressives. If I lost even 1/3 of the owners of the progressive I run or the one I play in, you might as well kill those leagues. I know for a fact that it takes nearly a month to fill when you have 2-3 open spots in the league right now. Make that 8 or more and you might as well pack it up and not play anymore.

If you boycott the open leagues, then you hit WIS in it's main game (or at least the one that it touts as it's main game). This would be a stronger statement as this is where they are supposedly recruiting people to play and is the bread and butter league for their site. It's also the most stale as the prices of the players matter most here.

12/22/2013 11:26 AM
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I want to be clear...i was just tossing the idea of a boycott out there to see what level of support exists. If WIS is going to post something soon, that would great. I hope that all of the conversations of late have at least caught WIS' attention. Time will tell.
12/22/2013 11:44 PM
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Same as seamar_116 - we are floating an idea. The boycott of OLs makes much more economic sense. There are two problems with it: it is  harder to organize (in a sense progressive owners are like "skilled workers" - always more compact and easier to organize, and OL owners as a whole tend to be more like "mass workers" - more powerful if and when organized because more decisive and in greater numbers, but harder to get together); and many of us who play almost only in progs have virtually (no pun intended) boycotted OLs for years anyway. 

So let's keep the conversation going. 

boogerlips, do people who act together or separately in the Tea Party, or just not watching MSNBC have to pay union dues? Not sure why any cooperative action (also called civilization) strikes you always as some act of tyrannical bureaucracy, as though a pick-up softball game among friends is already the slow road to socialist doom. But yes, YOU have to pay union dues. The rest of us don't. Ok?
12/23/2013 9:12 AM
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A story of boycotts...

In my hometown of Pittsburgh, there was a brewery called Duquesne which made Duke beer.  Most popular beer in town in the late 1960's, and it was brewed traditionally  by descendants of the original German immigrants who founded the company.  The civil rights movement of the 1960's empowered the african-american community of Pittsburgh, which demanded jobs at the brewery, and organized a boycott of Duke Beer until the brewery capitulated, and agreed to give preference to hiring african-americans.  Unfortunately, this was in 1970 or so, and white people weren't comfortable with the idea of minorities gaining power though boycotts, so after the brewery gave in on the original issue, the white population of Pittsburgh organized a "counter-boycott" to punish Duquesne for giving in to the original boycott. I

Duquesne closed it's doors forever in 1972, a viable company who had it's user base divided and their business destroyed by boycotts.  The city of Pittsburgh lost a major, modern brewery, and choice was reduced.

A long story to caution everyone that unless your goal is the destruction of the product, you probably do not want to take part in a boycott of it. 

Thanks.

12/23/2013 10:39 AM
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Good point Len!   However, in effect I'm already boycotting this site as I am no longer willing to join new leagues or buy additional games.  I've already passed (not joined in) on 3 or 4 different leagues I would have quickly signed up for and played in the past. I also am dropping a progressive and considering bailing out on a league I had signed up for already. (That league has had difficulty filling up----and still has openings)  This particular league has always filled very rapidly from what I've been told.  Not NOW.  It may never fill up.  What do you figure the odds are I'll ever put more money into this site??
12/23/2013 11:35 AM
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