I am a lawyer and regularly advise clients there are benefits and consequences to choices. And sometimes there are unintended consequences. When that happens, you have to roll with the choice and make another one. Today I am on the receiving end of my counsel.

Last season I joined Knight to get to D2. I was going to a specific conference to play with 2 other coaches I played in same conf in Tark. During the season I was scouting teams, but had it down to 2: Humboldt St and N W Nazarene. Once season ended and job change began (which is still going on), I put in for Humboldt St (choice 1A). But I kept looking at Nazarene, especially when the long-time dominant program in Seattle lost their coach -- and got greedy. So I submitted a ticket for WIS to remove me from Humboldt St, and install me at Nazarene.

Well, WIS granted my request ... sort of -- removed from Humboldt St. But not installed at Nazarene. Now NOT QUALIFIED for any D2 jobs, because of loyalty.

Sometimes there are unintended consequences ... and you just have to roll with the choices made

if you respond to that ticket they may reset your loyalty if you explain the situation. GL. 

I disagree entirely with colonels & joco.  What are we talking about here?  WIS should not have tried to honor their customer's request at all.  No good deed goes unpunished!  

Now, having made the mistake of honoring the request, CS has an obligation to clean up the loyalty issue so that headpirate can apply for a different job at the D2 level.  Hopefully they see the ticket in time during job applications to fix the loyalty issue (or at least to ensure headpirate can get back in at D2 during open signup), but that's the game!  Think about this in RL.  A coach accepts a position and then reneges on the commitment to the new school?  Yeah people would view that coach in a negative light.  Absolutely!  That said, I really do think that CS needs to fix the issue for headpirate, because they created the problem in the first place.

Don't get me wrong, there's a problem with the hiring and firing at D1.  However, anyone could create an ID, cherry pick a team at D3 to have a winning season and not even necessarily need to make the PIT, and be eligible for every D2 gig after that 1 season.  That's not the problem.  The problem is that high D1 jobs, with high baseline prestige, don't fire coaches frequently enough and for which eligibility is far too difficult (not talking about gameplay mechanics of hiring & firing, but more along the lines of what the customer base and potential customer base actually want!).

Posted by rogelio on 3/11/2014 12:39:00 PM (view original):
I disagree entirely with colonels & joco.  What are we talking about here?  WIS should not have tried to honor their customer's request at all.  No good deed goes unpunished!  

Now, having made the mistake of honoring the request, CS has an obligation to clean up the loyalty issue so that headpirate can apply for a different job at the D2 level.  Hopefully they see the ticket in time during job applications to fix the loyalty issue (or at least to ensure headpirate can get back in at D2 during open signup), but that's the game!  Think about this in RL.  A coach accepts a position and then reneges on the commitment to the new school?  Yeah people would view that coach in a negative light.  Absolutely!  That said, I really do think that CS needs to fix the issue for headpirate, because they created the problem in the first place.

Don't get me wrong, there's a problem with the hiring and firing at D1.  However, anyone could create an ID, cherry pick a team at D3 to have a winning season and not even necessarily need to make the PIT, and be eligible for every D2 gig after that 1 season.  That's not the problem.  The problem is that high D1 jobs, with high baseline prestige, don't fire coaches frequently enough and for which eligibility is far too difficult (not talking about gameplay mechanics of hiring & firing, but more along the lines of what the customer base and potential customer base actually want!).

This is a fair assessment of my post. I was not posting to bash WIS. The indecision on my part created the "problem." I expected to receive a reply, "sorry, play the team you picked and move next season." Now the loyalty snag was an unexpected byproduct; but the point is, better be very specific with the wish when you release the genie from the bottle.

I will wait out new signups tomorrow, and see where I can land.

Posted by headpirate on 3/11/2014 12:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by rogelio on 3/11/2014 12:39:00 PM (view original):
I disagree entirely with colonels & joco.  What are we talking about here?  WIS should not have tried to honor their customer's request at all.  No good deed goes unpunished!  

Now, having made the mistake of honoring the request, CS has an obligation to clean up the loyalty issue so that headpirate can apply for a different job at the D2 level.  Hopefully they see the ticket in time during job applications to fix the loyalty issue (or at least to ensure headpirate can get back in at D2 during open signup), but that's the game!  Think about this in RL.  A coach accepts a position and then reneges on the commitment to the new school?  Yeah people would view that coach in a negative light.  Absolutely!  That said, I really do think that CS needs to fix the issue for headpirate, because they created the problem in the first place.

Don't get me wrong, there's a problem with the hiring and firing at D1.  However, anyone could create an ID, cherry pick a team at D3 to have a winning season and not even necessarily need to make the PIT, and be eligible for every D2 gig after that 1 season.  That's not the problem.  The problem is that high D1 jobs, with high baseline prestige, don't fire coaches frequently enough and for which eligibility is far too difficult (not talking about gameplay mechanics of hiring & firing, but more along the lines of what the customer base and potential customer base actually want!).

This is a fair assessment of my post. I was not posting to bash WIS. The indecision on my part created the "problem." I expected to receive a reply, "sorry, play the team you picked and move next season." Now the loyalty snag was an unexpected byproduct; but the point is, better be very specific with the wish when you release the genie from the bottle.

I will wait out new signups tomorrow, and see where I can land.

Bashing is such a harsh way to put it. I have to say when I started playing the game in 2005 the site was ran a little bit different. Had you asked for that to happen then you would have been placed in the position you desired or told "no" with out any ill consequences. Being a customer you should have been acommidated in either of those two ways. Send in your ticket I'm sure this will be taken care of. I wish the progression of this game play would have been more "updated"  (for lack of a better word) than what it is, as well as more of an option to play these types of games. 

I have sent several tickets to CS over the many years I have played on this website. Nearly always I have found them to try to be fair once you got past the first CS response and they understood the situation.
Continue to press CS and I would think they will restore the loyalty issue once made aware of it if it doesn't have some other unforseen consequences that affects someone else..
I am not at all surprised they would not just install you as the coach of a team you requested. (there maight be others trying for the same job etc), however, if the loyalty issue is fixable without creating another problem I believe they will try to help you out.
again, continue to talk to them.

Loyalty restored; once again eligible for D2 jobs. Now past the "non"-drama of the past 24 hours. Having suffered the karmic slapdown, much like a spanked puppy, ready to forge on.

Headpirate, you have just a great attitude to this subject. Throughout this entire thread you have exhibited a lot of class. Good luck in the future.