How important is a coach's patience rating? I've been giving a lot of consideration to this when hiring, but I don't know if that is a good idea. Has anyone read any developer chats or gained any other information on this? All I've been able to learn about it is from the Players Guide, which just states that high patience helps a coach "tolerate and coach younger players."

Anyone know how young a player has to be for this to matter? I'd assume a coach with low patience wouldn't be good for an 18 year old prospect, but would be help a 22 year old college draftee? Since all prospects can be considered "younger players," does patience affect all of them?

Yea, it seems like he read that already.

It's a good question - I've wondered myself how the 80/50 (pitching/patience) coach compares to the 70/90 coach.  How many patience points = pitching points, etc.

No idea if this is right but think of it in real life terms.

You need a pitching coach for your team.    Do you want a guy who really knows pitching or a nice fellow who once pitched in a Little League game?   Now, of course, there's always line.    If your really good pitching coach says "Ok, this is how you throw a cutter" and then explodes when the first one you throw bounces 6 feet in front of the plate, how effective can he be?

IOW, PC rating is obviously far more important but discipline and patience have their place.

My strategy has been to hire the coach with the highest hitting/pitching IQ as long as he doesn't have very low patience (say, under 40-50 or so). But this strategy is actually pretty arbitrary, so I was hoping someone had uncovered some information that would lead to a more focused strategy.

It seems like it would be pretty tough to isolate the effect that patience has, since there are so many other variables in player development (playing time, player age, player potential, other coaches...)

Picking up on this thread, I am brand new to HBD and trying to figure out the interaction between the various coaching attributes.   Since this thread is fairly recent,  I assume that there isn't a lot of knowledge or agreement about how this works.

I made an equation to evaluate the overall value of a coach, and a coaching staff.    Cuz I do nerdy crap like that.    Here is how I treated patience, discipline, and secondary traits . .

Patience - I used as a modifier, with a baseline of 50.   there is a SQRT in the formula so you get more movement in the mid-ranges than at the extremes.   A coach with a zero patience would be evaluated as being 21% less effective, 100 patience would make him 21% more effective.   To address Burnsy's hypothetical, a patience of 90 would give a 19% bump, making the 70/90 effectively and 83, a bit better than the 80/50.

I also wondered what is meant by 'younger players'.   I considered tapering the modifier by level, where it would work as described at rookie league and diminish through the higher levels.     For all we know the effect may be calculated individually with each player, taking into account that player's age, patience, & makeup.   But OTOH - they are all young  . .

Discipline - even more cryptically described than patience, HBD's text states that discipline both helps and hinders.     I am GUESSING GUESSING that what is optimal here is 'the even hand' with a middle discipline.   In my formula I again use 50 as the zero-modifier baseline but assign penalties for being either too lax or too strict.   In my current formula the possible impact of discipline is about  a third of patience; the maximum penalty is about 7%.

Another consideration as I built my staff was looking at the secondary attributes of the other coaches.     At one level I selected a bench coach with 70+ hitting; at another I got one with 70+ pitching.   How much impact do the other, non primary coaches have?

In am  guessing that in minor league systems, the hitting coach would have 82% of the coaching influence, the bench coach 12%, the pitching coach 6%.     I also considered that high discipline might actually hinder coaching synergy - the hitting coach with high discipline might be more likely to object if another coach came by and trying to help a player.


Anyway, this is all guesswork on my part.   But I had to have some means to rank the coaches to decide who to go after.    I would certainly like to know what Mike and the other vets think about my assumptions - and what might I be missing?  thanks