If I can't win a game in the PIT as a #2 seed than maybe it's time to hang it up. Getting frustrated.  I beat better FCP teams all season and lose to a #7 seed. http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/GameResults/BoxScore.aspx?gid=11288878. What happened?  MY best BH/P guard had 4 TO's. 21 TO's this game and def ratings weren't that good.  Not only that, my best defenders, all my guards, had like 4 fouls each.  I play 3-2 and my guards are 72, 75, 73 and 1 fouled out and 1 had 4 fouls.  I lost the game because of my TO's. Also committed way to many fouls for a zone. Don't know what I could of done differently.

At a quick glance, your team just barely broke even in turnovers per game on the season, so why is it so difficult to imagine they would lose the turnover battle against a full-court press team???

There is very little difference in the PIT between a #2 seed and a #7.   Those "upsets" happen frequently in that tournament

Can't speak on the fouls, but the other team starting backcourt looked to have a decent speed and ath advantage. That is very helpful for pressing teams.

Posted by nachopuzzle on 11/5/2014 10:52:00 AM (view original):
At a quick glance, your team just barely broke even in turnovers per game on the season, so why is it so difficult to imagine they would lose the turnover battle against a full-court press team???

Compared to the other FCP teams I faced the ratings of this team was way less. Yes I know I broke even all year, but against better FCP teams. My other thing is my fouls. Way to many fouls for a zone. My PG and SG shouldn't commit 9 fouls between them, not with there ratings. 

Posted by alblack56 on 11/5/2014 10:59:00 AM (view original):
There is very little difference in the PIT between a #2 seed and a #7.   Those "upsets" happen frequently in that tournament

I was going to say the same thing actually.

I can understand having your best scorer come off the bench, but don't understand why you would have your best ballhandler and passer come off the bench. Also, keep in mind the more he shoots, it will increase the rate of turnovers, especially at the PG position. Not sure why you had Wilkerson start at the point over Langston.

And yes, other than that, I can feel your frustration. It did appear you had the better team.

20 turnovers... Langston needed to start IMO, honestly, I would of put my best ballhandlers all on the floor as much as possible. You got unlucky. Sometimes, it does not bounce our way. The fouls killed you too, did you double team? If you did not double team, I don't understand how you got 14 fouls on three pgs... It's unlucky. Did you set the tempo to slow? I would have. And I would have chosen to go -1. Not more than that, on the zone.

Posted by terps21234 on 11/5/2014 3:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by nachopuzzle on 11/5/2014 10:52:00 AM (view original):
At a quick glance, your team just barely broke even in turnovers per game on the season, so why is it so difficult to imagine they would lose the turnover battle against a full-court press team???

Compared to the other FCP teams I faced the ratings of this team was way less. Yes I know I broke even all year, but against better FCP teams. My other thing is my fouls. Way to many fouls for a zone. My PG and SG shouldn't commit 9 fouls between them, not with there ratings. 

Well, I'd  like to echo what clarebear noted about your opponents backcourt speed as compared to yours...especially your starting pg who has a 52 SPD and 58 BH ratings, both of which are below average for a starting DII PG. As for the fouls, two of Wilkerson's and two of Langston's (4 total) were committed intentionally at the end of the game, without those you would've only had 9 second half fouls total and seven between your starters.

Did you get hosed...possibly a little...but you weren't exactly in a position were it should be considered a sizable upset. I feel for you though, I've had some horrible beats and know how frustrating it can be.

Posted by thewizard17 on 11/5/2014 5:00:00 PM (view original):
I can understand having your best scorer come off the bench, but don't understand why you would have your best ballhandler and passer come off the bench. Also, keep in mind the more he shoots, it will increase the rate of turnovers, especially at the PG position. Not sure why you had Wilkerson start at the point over Langston.

And yes, other than that, I can feel your frustration. It did appear you had the better team.

Are you saying that your best shooter shouldn't play point. Like get a strictly pass, bh point guard

Thanks guys. The reason I didn't start Langston is because of his def. As you can see he still committed 4 TO's against his bench. After getting a great deal of help from gillispie1, a_in_the_b, zbrent, colonels, etc I thoyght I was developing a good motion/zone team. This team is far from great I know. But I have 8 guys shooting over 50% which is good for motion. I should of played slowdown looking back. Just getting frustrated

Posted by zorzii on 11/5/2014 5:43:00 PM (view original):
20 turnovers... Langston needed to start IMO, honestly, I would of put my best ballhandlers all on the floor as much as possible. You got unlucky. Sometimes, it does not bounce our way. The fouls killed you too, did you double team? If you did not double team, I don't understand how you got 14 fouls on three pgs... It's unlucky. Did you set the tempo to slow? I would have. And I would have chosen to go -1. Not more than that, on the zone.

No I didn't double team because he had no outstanding scorer. No I should of played slowdown, but wanted to get to his bench which was not good. I figured my bench was better than his and wanted to get him foul trouble, which I kinda did. Thiught my defense was better than his. I played 3-2 -4 because he had no 3 point threat.

i usually play slowdown vs. fcp it seems to work a little bit better, his stamina is ideal for his press 74. Loggins for his squad is his star player no doubt. Arkansas monticello beat him during regular season with slowdown, -4. 65-58

Posted by terps21234 on 11/5/2014 7:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by thewizard17 on 11/5/2014 5:00:00 PM (view original):
I can understand having your best scorer come off the bench, but don't understand why you would have your best ballhandler and passer come off the bench. Also, keep in mind the more he shoots, it will increase the rate of turnovers, especially at the PG position. Not sure why you had Wilkerson start at the point over Langston.

And yes, other than that, I can feel your frustration. It did appear you had the better team.

Are you saying that your best shooter shouldn't play point. Like get a strictly pass, bh point guard

No, as a general rule (but in no way an absolute) you should have the player with the best combination of SPD, BH, and PS as your starting pg, if that player so happens to also be your best perimeter scorer then so be it...but if you don't surround him with any players that can pass the ball then it will affect the players FG% and turnover rate, just like a SG or SF that doesn't have anybody to get them the ball in good spots.

I would definitely second the slowdown and Langston in this case. You needed that BH and passing. Defense is very important, BUT ...

Sometimes avoiding turnovers is a very important part of defense. Extra possessions for the opponent is defacto bad defense. I also might have channeled even more offense into those posts.