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I Know 7-3 is okay with a strong rpi/sos

just wanting some ideas, I know I have weak rebounding, but just looking for more insight on things maybe I haven't considered on how to deal with that or other things that catches peoples eyes.

Thanks!
3/11/2015 2:47 PM
Solid team, I thought they were d2 at first before checking. They're slow, only one really good passer, and honestly almost too much athleticism considering you run the triangle, but that's not the worst thing in the world. That's what I would look at if I was game planing against you but all in all solid team. I'd try to work on getting more passing in your lineup.
Obviously I could be wrong though if all your guys have improvement left in some categories, but right now that's what I see.

I don't play d3 much but it seems like to me a recruiting goal would be to find as many high highs in low post and perimeter as I could since it gets such great growth and prioritize those guys for recruiting. Thoughts?
3/11/2015 5:56 PM
If I were you, I'd be shooting a LOT more 3s.  It's just too easy to gameplan against a team that never shoots a 3.  You can get away with it pretty easily in the non-con because most of the better coaches are gameplanning halfheartedly at best, and maybe even during the conference schedule.  But once you get into the CT, and more so in the NT, you'll see the -3 and -4 defenses, and your team isn't good enough to get to the line enough against really solid defensive teams to beat those compacted defensive schemes.  I would relish a matchup against you with your current settings, as would most zone teams.

I know you don't have any great shooters, and a lot of guys say you start letting guys shoot 3s when their perimeter gets north of 70.  In this case, though, I think you clearly need to relax that guideline.  You have 5 guys with 60+ Per who could be set to 0 in the 3 pt shooting, maybe even +1 for Henley.  Those guys should be able to shoot maybe 33-34% in aggregate.  That's not great, but it's good enough to rival your current 2-point efficiency.  It's not quite as good, but fairly close, and later when you don't have to face the heavy - defenses it will improve your efficiency inside.

You could make an argument for leaving the settings where they are, then start bombing the 3s in the postseason, try to catch guy off guard in a -3 or -4 and shoot a lot.  But really, with that perimeter, you're going to have a ton of variance even against a serious - defense, and eventually that strategy is probably going to backfire.  I'd much rather set things up to be able to play to my strengths in the postseason.  Your strength is obviously inside, but if you don't start keeping teams honest you won't be able to dominate in there when the games really matter.
3/11/2015 11:29 PM
Thanks guys!

And eventually perimeter shooting will be my strength with my players hitting their caps.

Kelling and Cambpell are both still blue in PER and I believe they will max out 90+
Henely will hit about 75-80 PER and Smith about 75

As for passing besides Henely I won't have any upperclassmen with great passing most of my guards will end up in the 50's Walters will get 65+ but too young, however my C has a pas rating of 53 which is better than a handful of guards right now.

Thanks Dahs I was waiting for my players to hit 70 for PER but I'll attempt lowering it as I've noticed not shooting the 3 has been killing me

3/12/2015 8:57 AM
Sorry to bring this up, but I still have no idea why this team is ****.  I have been attempting more 3's but I now just lost to a 2-20 team that shot 52% against me after beating them 81-54 earlier in the season.....

this is ******* me off, I understand I have no rebounder and no seniors but my 68 rebounder has 86 ath which should be enough and my PF has 64 ath and 57 reb.  I've made a NT with a PF with low rebounding before so maybe triangle needs more rebounding?

Other thing are that my PG is avg 2.1 fouls /gm at 73 ath 69 spd 92 def when in the past he average 1.5/1.6 with lower ratings/IQ

Am just a ****** coach with this team, I for sure thought this would easily make the NT and contend for the CT and regular season champ with next season with 6 sr's making a deep NT run and now I don't even know if I make the tourney next year..
3/20/2015 1:37 PM
I don't really have any advice for ya, just hopefully a word of encouragement. That conference is the toughest D3 conference I've ever seen (haven't played in every world). One of the best teams I thought I had there, I went to the PIT, then the next year I went to the Elite 8 of the NT. So you never know, man. Your team is full of juniors, so next year could still be really good.
3/20/2015 1:53 PM
Posted by billscnb on 3/20/2015 1:53:00 PM (view original):
I don't really have any advice for ya, just hopefully a word of encouragement. That conference is the toughest D3 conference I've ever seen (haven't played in every world). One of the best teams I thought I had there, I went to the PIT, then the next year I went to the Elite 8 of the NT. So you never know, man. Your team is full of juniors, so next year could still be really good.
I mean I'm in USA South in Phelan and went to the NT starting Sophmores this past season, so I've played in harder conferences.

Maybe I'm just not good at coaching the triangle either as I'm struggling in another world running the triangle.
3/20/2015 1:56 PM
Maybe. I exclusively run Motion/M2M so I have no clue. And looking more closely the conference was a lot more competitive when I was there. Sorry man, was just trying to help out :/
3/20/2015 2:00 PM
Posted by billscnb on 3/20/2015 2:00:00 PM (view original):
Maybe. I exclusively run Motion/M2M so I have no clue. And looking more closely the conference was a lot more competitive when I was there. Sorry man, was just trying to help out :/
I think that might be a problem for me I seem to do better with a motion offense and I do appreciate the feedback any different point of view is beneficial as mine is obviously not the best.
3/20/2015 2:07 PM
1. Why would you play -5 vs. LaVerne?  They don't shoot them well normally, but -5 seems quite extreme.  So then they go out and have their best perimeter performance of the year and hit 8/18 on 3's vs. your -5.  I've observed playing -5 leads to anomalous results, both good and bad.  Guess you got burned this time. 

2. I think you're overthinking the rebounding disadvantage.  Against a tough SOS you're only getting outboarded by 2 per game.  That's not too bad, and really an overall 37 REB rating isn't that terrible.  I've had some D3 teams play with 28/29 team REB ratings...now that's something to be concerned about.  Not 37.  IMHO.

Also, I think you're overthinking the Triangle vs. Motion difference and don't think this is the root of your problems.

3. Generally speaking, I think your offense isn't that efficient, but it's not obvious to me why that is looking at your ratings.  And it looks like you have Fernberg as the focal point of your offense, but he's one of the least efficient guys when factoring in FT%.  So I think part of the issue is your distribution and I do agree with the poster who said you were shooting too few 3's.  I'm not saying to start jacking them up but I think you made the right adjustment given your team's PE and FT ratings. 

4. I think your FT% isn't that great, especially given you're shooting more of them with your conservative perimeter game.  So this is hurting your team's offensive efficiency as well.

5. So what I'd do, and I know this gets poo poo'd on the board by everyone, but experiment a few games going with all 0's on the distribution.  I'd have Campbell and Kelling at either 0 or -1 on 3's, and Henley, Smith, and Surrett at -1.  Everyone else at -2.  I may be a bit conservative on my 3's, but this is what I'd do for a few games.  Hopefully what you'd see is a bit better offensive efficiency, better scoring balance, and maybe you'll start winning some of these close games you've been losing (lot of single digit losses this season vs. a tough schedule). 

And fwiw, I've had good success running all 0's on offense (even won a few titles running it) and still use it on some of my current teams, though I will say it depends on the team composition and sets you run.  I think in general it works pretty well when you seemingly have good scoring balance on your team.  That is, when you lack a true workhorse 99 PE kind of guy or 99 LP with 80 ATH or something like that.  You don't have either of these, so at this point, what do you have to lose really?  I understand the reasons why going all 0's just doesn't seem optimal, and I don't disagree with them, I'll just say that I've been pleasantly surprised probably over 80% of the time I decide to use it (after switching from setting away from setting the distro myself) and feel it gives me better offensive efficiency than if I hadn't used it.  YMMV of course.



3/20/2015 3:55 PM
Posted by jdno2 on 3/20/2015 3:57:00 PM (view original):
1. Why would you play -5 vs. LaVerne?  They don't shoot them well normally, but -5 seems quite extreme.  So then they go out and have their best perimeter performance of the year and hit 8/18 on 3's vs. your -5.  I've observed playing -5 leads to anomalous results, both good and bad.  Guess you got burned this time. 

2. I think you're overthinking the rebounding disadvantage.  Against a tough SOS you're only getting outboarded by 2 per game.  That's not too bad, and really an overall 37 REB rating isn't that terrible.  I've had some D3 teams play with 28/29 team REB ratings...now that's something to be concerned about.  Not 37.  IMHO.

Also, I think you're overthinking the Triangle vs. Motion difference and don't think this is the root of your problems.

3. Generally speaking, I think your offense isn't that efficient, but it's not obvious to me why that is looking at your ratings.  And it looks like you have Fernberg as the focal point of your offense, but he's one of the least efficient guys when factoring in FT%.  So I think part of the issue is your distribution and I do agree with the poster who said you were shooting too few 3's.  I'm not saying to start jacking them up but I think you made the right adjustment given your team's PE and FT ratings. 

4. I think your FT% isn't that great, especially given you're shooting more of them with your conservative perimeter game.  So this is hurting your team's offensive efficiency as well.

5. So what I'd do, and I know this gets poo poo'd on the board by everyone, but experiment a few games going with all 0's on the distribution.  I'd have Campbell and Kelling at either 0 or -1 on 3's, and Henley, Smith, and Surrett at -1.  Everyone else at -2.  I may be a bit conservative on my 3's, but this is what I'd do for a few games.  Hopefully what you'd see is a bit better offensive efficiency, better scoring balance, and maybe you'll start winning some of these close games you've been losing (lot of single digit losses this season vs. a tough schedule). 

And fwiw, I've had good success running all 0's on offense (even won a few titles running it) and still use it on some of my current teams, though I will say it depends on the team composition and sets you run.  I think in general it works pretty well when you seemingly have good scoring balance on your team.  That is, when you lack a true workhorse 99 PE kind of guy or 99 LP with 80 ATH or something like that.  You don't have either of these, so at this point, what do you have to lose really?  I understand the reasons why going all 0's just doesn't seem optimal, and I don't disagree with them, I'll just say that I've been pleasantly surprised probably over 80% of the time I decide to use it (after switching from setting away from setting the distro myself) and feel it gives me better offensive efficiency than if I hadn't used it.  YMMV of course.



i generally run -5 against teams that have noone over 60 this just happened to be the first time it hurt me last time I played La Verne I ran -4

I guess Fernburg as the focal point wasn't the best idea, I just don't have Kelling/Cambell maxed out PER ratins yet as Kelling should end up low 90's and Cambell close to max per.  I don't know but Henely could be a good scorer, I just don't like focusing my distro on a PG unless he has a 90+ per as mine always end up turning the ball over too much.

The only player I have really shooting extremely well is Sharpe at 52% 

I did p my 3's and I will continue to up as Cambell/Kelling go up as I have them both at 0 and Henely and Smith at -1  I will put Surrett up to -1 for the next few games and see how it works

I will also switch to 0 for distro at the beginning of the season I was running around 15 for Fernburg, 10 for Smith then I switched to a 6,5,4,3,2, and then 1's for everyone else.

I noticed FT% has really killed me especially in those close games I always seem to be shooting under 70%

Would you even think running Kelling/Campbell at +1 or is that to early I usually wait until they hit 70 spd 80 per but if what I'm at isn't enough I could maybe up to +1 and see how it goes.

Do you have any ideas for tempo, I generally stick to normal, and move to uptempo when facing bad teams or lack of depth, and slowdown for any uptempo press teams or fb/fcp unless I think I have a ath/spd advantage where I could get them in foul trouble and run a normal or uptempo.
3/20/2015 4:46 PM
I generally don't put guys at "+" anything.  Just not my style for most of my teams.  If you have a very non-athletic guy who is basically a spot up jumper type, then it makes sense to me to do that, but I just don't recruit many guys that fit that profile, so I simply lack a lot of personal history with +1/+2 guys.

Normal is probably best for your team except in those situations you mentioned.  And if you're on the road playing a better team, probably even slow down is a better option. 
3/20/2015 5:56 PM

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