First season at D1 and recruiting for a school with D+ prestige.  I'm wondering what the min recruiting effort I have to put forward to get considered.  

At D2 and D3  you can get considered for a g. start and schollie.  Can you do the same at D1 if I'm looking at an unranked D1 player?

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I would say in general you need more effort.  I always think of it as avg scholarship amt, so D3 is 3k, D2 is 5k and D1 is 15k.  Obviously you don't have to spend that much, but I would say in general you need more than $110 to get considered at D1.

I have signed guys at D1 for under $2k though.

To be considered?  If you scout an international guy at 2 or 3 times $700 you often get considered regardless of if you want to or not.  I'm not sure minimum to be considered at low D1, but I'd guess $1000ish for an unranked player at a D+

4-8 scouts plus a schollie should do it about every time unless they are a pull down

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this is a little misleading so far...

as in d2/d3, the effort required to get a player to consider you (or sign - slightly different thresholds - slightly) depends on the "level" of the recruit relative to your organization. if the player is "below" you, or really at your level, barely, a start + scholarship will work. for an a+ school, it depends on the level of a+ - some A+s can get ALL players to consider them for 110 and other A+s have 5 stars who require a little more. in d1, the variation in "level" of recruit is bigger, or something, so its more noticeable in d1 - but the same mechanism is in play at all levels.

generally speaking, almost all players will consider you for start + scholarship + 1HV. occasionally maybe its 2HV, i dont think it goes higher than that until you get into pulldown territory (which does exist for d1 schools of b prestige or lower).

True gil, but there are still levels at D1 obviously as well.  As a D+, in a non pull down situation, his "range" of players should be considered for that amount, whereas a Big 6 A+ school should have their "range" of players consider for that amount as well, right?

Maybe semantics, I think I said the same thing as you lol.  I always tend to think of it in terms of money as opposed to effort, it's more directly visible to me, but ~$1,000 sounds roughly correct for that effort.

(caveat, of course not in a pull down situation, or being pushed off by someone else, etc).

Posted by guyo26 on 9/9/2015 3:54:00 PM (view original):
True gil, but there are still levels at D1 obviously as well.  As a D+, in a non pull down situation, his "range" of players should be considered for that amount, whereas a Big 6 A+ school should have their "range" of players consider for that amount as well, right?

Maybe semantics, I think I said the same thing as you lol.  I always tend to think of it in terms of money as opposed to effort, it's more directly visible to me, but ~$1,000 sounds roughly correct for that effort.

(caveat, of course not in a pull down situation, or being pushed off by someone else, etc).

absolutely there are levels at d1. i guess we aren't that far apart - but for example, you had said you didn't think you could get players to consider you for 110 - which is definitely not true, regardless of if you are the d+ or a+. there are plenty of players who will consider and sign for 110. i point out the levels because when the OP said unranked players, it really depends, unranked players may not be "below" you at a d range prestige even, but i think most are. at an a+ most players are "below" you and can be picked up at 110, ive signed 5 stars for 110. anyway i agree, the bar is slightly higher in d1 than lower divisions - but not by much - and definitely nowhere near the 4x increase you'd think from the part that suggested it scaled with scholarship costs (5x for d2 20k for d1).

just on a quick note to you personally - you sort of prove the 110 players exist with the note on internationals. a start is equal to 4 scouting trips, and you mention for 2-3 many will consider you even if you dont want them to. certainly those players would consider you for the start, instead. maybe starts are worth more than you realize? just fyi

Sorry if this derails the OP's questions, but I see more little nuggets of gold here that I have questions and thoughts on :)

also, funny that this comes up when FINALLY there's a big update posted by seble, and it's about recruiting.  

I rarely do the $110 special, even when I've been A+ (at levels other than D1, never been A+ there).  To me, it leads to the problem of having a  freshman start, which typically I don't want ... but looking through notes I've taken over the years, I suppose this is just to get considered, from there positive/negative effort and a redshirt can nullify that.  Which is interesting.  At high D1, sure you might want/need the 5 star kid to start right away, so the promised start could work.

I rambled on the dollar amounts per scholarship.  To me I see those as what dev *thinks* a scholarship is worth.  Obviously in the current system FSS and such eats into the overall recruiting/scouting budget, so it's not like you have to spend x amount to get considered or sign a kid.  We all want to sign recruits as cheaply as possible, so $110 is the minimum and that makes sense.

I've never, or probably more accurately rarely, been in positions where I could or wanted to sign a guy as a priority without taking his future growth into consideration.  So to me I'd need to have FSS to see if he has any growth, or send ST's to internationals.  But I see a little bit of the cbg strategy maybe?  get considered, at high D1 that often is enough, from there you can spend a little bit more to remove the implications of the start if you want, but I'm sure a good percentage of the time there is no battle because other coaches see an A+ with oodles of cash on the guys considering list.

I'll have to play around more with the start+scholly and see how it works out