offensive response to double team Topic

i checked old threads about double teams,  but most seemed concerned with "when should I double team the opposing player(s)"

What I am more concerned with is :

If I feel certain that .ooponent will double one or more of my players... what is my best strategy offensively?

Lets assuming its a PG with very good ball skills and PE and ath/sp. and some other very good scoring options on the team

Logic would seem to dictate that i should really lower his distro significantly and he will rack up a ton of assists while his mates make easy open baskets.

but i just dont feel like it has played out this way for me.
when i lower his distro it just seems to take him out of the game (offensively) and he has normal number of assists but way fewer points


And oftentimes when i have just lef this distro high... he does fine.... shooting a good percentage and not too many TO's although that probably does reduce his shooting volume a bit


thanks,  I will hang up and listen.
1/22/2016 11:42 AM
I see how it is...

dasher asks for help and every coaching legend known to man crawls out of the woodwork to help him.  
I half expected  Wooden and Rupp to claw their way out of their graves and help him.

davey asks a simple question.  
response?.........crickets
1/22/2016 1:28 PM
it depends. double teams are kind of stupid in this game, theres only a small hit to the player being DTd, and only a small boon to the rest of the team. i am assuming your guy is up in the 18ppg plus ballpark? if not, i wouldn't even worry about it, double teaming a guy much lower than that isn't worth it for the other coach, i'd just ignore it. although i suppose technically it might makes sense to shift distro elsewhere - but only if the drop off is really close to negligible, which is rare, but it sounds like it might be in your case. 

if i was worried about it (i usually am not, if i have a guy good enough to take 20 ppg, he is good enough to handle the double, too), i would probably shift him down a little bit, get him down more to like the mid, maybe low teens. i would never dump my best scorer from 20 ppg to 5 or something, that is dramatic overkill IMO.

1/22/2016 1:57 PM
it looks like the 2 teams your talking about are triangle teams in the tourny so I  could see him not getting as many assists as thought would say.  If you ran a motion or flex then I could see your PG increasing his asssist to shot ratio quite a bit.  If triangle really does involve just 3 players then lowering his distro probably would bascilly eliminate him from the offensive gameplan
1/22/2016 1:58 PM
Posted by all2matt on 1/22/2016 1:58:00 PM (view original):
it looks like the 2 teams your talking about are triangle teams in the tourny so I  could see him not getting as many assists as thought would say.  If you ran a motion or flex then I could see your PG increasing his asssist to shot ratio quite a bit.  If triangle really does involve just 3 players then lowering his distro probably would bascilly eliminate him from the offensive gameplan
triangle does not involve just 3 players in this game. basically, the whole triangle concept has no applicability in this game at all. besides, a real triangle offense doesn't only utilize 3 guys at a time, it utilizes 5, its just that the 3 tend to be the focal point. so i just wouldn't even worry about it.
1/22/2016 3:47 PM (edited)
Dave, I believe the game is less complicated some times than we want to believe.
I double team a lot. I don't see it shut down anyone. I do think it makes them take fewer shots... and maybe miss one or two they may have made otherwise. Your kid is without a doubt your best scoring option. In the current engine, I think reducing his distro any significant amount is playing into the opponents hands, maybe in ways your not allowing for. And I think assists, or the lack there of are assigned after the fact and based on Pass rating and not on whether the guy was getting 25% or 10% of the distro.

1/22/2016 4:13 PM
When you double team someone it lowers their distro (so they will take less shots). If you also lower their distro, that is a double whammy and they will take very few shots.

And as zags said, they might shoot a slightly lower percentage.

The forum fact is that it halves their distro. So if you normally have a guy at 20 and if you shifted him to 10..then he gets double teamed and his distribution goes to 5.
1/23/2016 12:10 AM (edited)
Posted by hughesjr on 1/23/2016 12:10:00 AM (view original):
When you double team someone it lowers their distro (so they will take less shots). If you also lower their distro, that is a double whammy and they will take very few shots.

And as zags said, they might shoot a slightly lower percentage.

The forum fact is that it halves their distro. So if you normally have a guy at 20 and if you shifted him to 10..then he gets double teamed and his distribution goes to 5.
So with this logic should you lower the rest of the team's distro?
1/23/2016 1:13 AM
Posted by joeykw18 on 1/23/2016 1:13:00 AM (view original):
Posted by hughesjr on 1/23/2016 12:10:00 AM (view original):
When you double team someone it lowers their distro (so they will take less shots). If you also lower their distro, that is a double whammy and they will take very few shots.

And as zags said, they might shoot a slightly lower percentage.

The forum fact is that it halves their distro. So if you normally have a guy at 20 and if you shifted him to 10..then he gets double teamed and his distribution goes to 5.
So with this logic should you lower the rest of the team's distro?
It depends on what you want to accomplish. If the guy they are going to double team is the guy you want to take shots regardless, then you would jack up his distribution, so when it is halved, it will be where you want it.

There is an efficiency hit to the guy who is doubled.. And a bit of an efficiency boost for those not doubled. So, if you want others on the team to get shots, you don't need to do anything. Or you might drop the main guy, just remember he is also getting halved.
1/23/2016 8:36 AM
Posted by hughesjr on 1/23/2016 12:10:00 AM (view original):
When you double team someone it lowers their distro (so they will take less shots). If you also lower their distro, that is a double whammy and they will take very few shots.

And as zags said, they might shoot a slightly lower percentage.

The forum fact is that it halves their distro. So if you normally have a guy at 20 and if you shifted him to 10..then he gets double teamed and his distribution goes to 5.
i have never heard that forum fact before, which probably makes it unique among things i have ever seen someone refer to as a "forum fact". also, its definitely, definitely not true.
1/23/2016 1:40 PM
Posted by gillispie1 on 1/23/2016 1:40:00 PM (view original):
Posted by hughesjr on 1/23/2016 12:10:00 AM (view original):
When you double team someone it lowers their distro (so they will take less shots). If you also lower their distro, that is a double whammy and they will take very few shots.

And as zags said, they might shoot a slightly lower percentage.

The forum fact is that it halves their distro. So if you normally have a guy at 20 and if you shifted him to 10..then he gets double teamed and his distribution goes to 5.
i have never heard that forum fact before, which probably makes it unique among things i have ever seen someone refer to as a "forum fact". also, its definitely, definitely not true.
Are you then going to explain how Doubleteaming works or just leave it hanging?

The FAQ says it reduces the shots taken buy the guy double teamed, and increases other players shots. How does it do that, other than by lowering the Double teamed guys distro?

Is it halved that you disagree with.. Or that disto is adjusted.
1/24/2016 11:58 AM
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