I have seen a few guys with high power and a high batting eye end up being fairly successful in the past when looking at teams in different worlds. I thought I read a post in a thread where this wasn't the main topic but it was discussed and now I am having trouble locating it.

This is the type of guy I meant:

https://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerRatings.aspx?pid=6040401

Does a guy like this next one have any chance to be a successful contributor at the big league level?

https://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerRatings.aspx?pid=7058403

If this guy doesn't really fit, where do you draw the line? The second player has better contact and higher vR but no as good of a batting eye. Does the higher vR split make up for anything somehow?

This guy -

Harry Byrd

Went absolutely nuts in season 22 of Gleeman2. Toledo is - at best - neutral to power hitters. Didn't have a high patience rating, but got it done.

This guy -

Bullet Bob Raines

Played in a better hitters park, had better contact than Byrd, and more patience. He did have a decent season 26, and has been - in general - productive. But certainly not a world beater.

I think these guys in many ways are kind of a crap shoot. They can produce eye popping numbers one season, and be somewhat mediocre in the next. As long as they don't kill you in the field, and you have openings at 1B, DH, or LF, they can be a cheap source of production.

Just my take in what I have seen so far with the supper high power guys who aren't stars...

Player Profile: Wilmer Garrido - Hardball Dynasty Baseball | WhatIfSports is a guy I'm currently using.    They're cheap labor and, if they're 85/85 with one decent split, they can be useful.

they are more valuable/usable if they are a switch hitter like mike's guy

Posted by mal247 on 2/15/2016 1:28:00 PM (view original):
they are more valuable/usable if they are a switch hitter like mike's guy

Isn't that taken into account in the vL/vR splits already?

Mike,

Do you feel that you can get lower than 85 eye and still be effective if other ratings are higher (either contact, v splits, or something else)?

OR are these guys hitting balls out of the park mainly on mistake pitches which they may pick up on more frequently with a higher batting eye

Posted by wallyworld15 on 2/15/2016 1:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mal247 on 2/15/2016 1:28:00 PM (view original):
they are more valuable/usable if they are a switch hitter like mike's guy

Isn't that taken into account in the vL/vR splits already?

Not completely, because the average pitcher has about a 10 point higher split vs the same hand of hitter.  So a switch hitter is almost always hitting against the pitcher's worse split.

Wally,

on switch hitters vs splits... there's an added bonus for switch hitters, because almost all pitchers are worse against opposite-handed hitters.

so the splits are always important, but switch hitters also typically benefit from facing the pitcher's lower vL/vR split.

Thanks binghm, that does make perfect sense.  Here is another guy I have that is in his first season at AAA

Player Profile: Richard Buscher - Hardball Dynasty Baseball | WhatIfSports

Posted by wallyworld15 on 2/15/2016 1:37:00 PM (view original):
Mike,

Do you feel that you can get lower than 85 eye and still be effective if other ratings are higher (either contact, v splits, or something else)?

OR are these guys hitting balls out of the park mainly on mistake pitches which they may pick up on more frequently with a higher batting eye

I certainly don't look for 85 eye from all players.

I say 85/85 because homers and walks are really their value.    The low contact, meh splits have to be covered one way or another.   As someone mentioned, the low contact, high power, crap splits guys are really inconsistent.   So, if you want to have have value when he isn't hitting, which will happen, you need the eye. 

Buscher is similar to my guy Adam Stanley. Take a look at Stanley's career ML numbers. I drafted him when I had the San Jose Aces franchise. San Jose is one of the most extreme pitcher's parks, so his first couple seasons there were in spite of ballpark. He had a monster season in Omaha last season. I traded for him this season, and hope/expect that he'll be a monster calling Coors Field home.

 Player Profile: Adam Stanley - Hardball Dynasty Baseball | WhatIfSports

in 4 full ML seasons, Stanley has 1 season with 32 homers and three with 40 or more. the 90's batting eye gives him that career .338 OBP, which makes up for his .246 batting average. not that many guys OPS over .800, so I think his career .831 makes him a solid regular - even at 1B, where you want plenty of offense.

On my phone so I can't directly link but my guy
https://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerRatings.aspx?pid=6535754

Is a good example I think of what can happen with extreme ratings. Granted Boston is a hitter's park but for the price I paid, he's exceeded my expectations.

https://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerRatings.aspx?pid=6104128

Hitter's park but still much better production than some of his predecessors.

Player Profile: Alex Rivera - Hardball Dynasty Baseball | WhatIfSports

Rivera is the same type of player. He had 100 power and 80ish Batting Eye and mediocre splits. He hit 52/51 HRs in his first two years (winning RoY and MVP in his rookie season) and then went downhill fast with his ratings dropping only minimally.