Recruiting - AP and Conference Prestige Topic

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When recruiting, I have read that the AP's are modified by the individual school's prestige. Okay – that is straightforward.

What I have not been able to determine is whether AP's are also influenced by conference prestige, or if conference prestige is only a factor when the recruit desires "a strong conference?"

Also, I am not sure what defines a strong conference? Is this a sliding scale were an "A" conference will influence a recruit more than a "B" conference? Or is there a definite cut-off such as anything above a "C" conference is considered a strong conference?

Thanks in advance.
7/5/2018 1:54 PM
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Conference prestige only effects players who want to play for a strong conference. An a is worth more than a b for those players.
7/5/2018 5:04 PM
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Sources?
7/5/2018 9:05 PM
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Posted by cedarberry on 7/5/2018 9:05:00 PM (view original):
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His 330 successful seasons of HD is a valuable source.

There's no reason a recruit would recieve any benefit for conference strength, if he has no concern about the strength of the conference. If so that would basically mean every single recruit out there would get an equal bump. Making it a non factor.
7/5/2018 9:35 PM
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For recruits who don’t care about conference strength, Conference strength helps to the extent a strong conference helps prestige of the team, helps tourney seeding, etc. In other words, it isn’t nothing, but it’s not much.
7/5/2018 9:52 PM
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Posted by topdogggbm on 7/5/2018 9:36:00 PM (view original):
Posted by cedarberry on 7/5/2018 9:05:00 PM (view original):
Sources?
His 330 successful seasons of HD is a valuable source.

There's no reason a recruit would recieve any benefit for conference strength, if he has no concern about the strength of the conference. If so that would basically mean every single recruit out there would get an equal bump. Making it a non factor.
Not to be argumentative but I'm not certain this is correct. Conference strength can represent either conference prestige or current conference RPI, or both. Is there a written confirmation from selbe that conference strength preference is tied to conference prestige only? Perimeter and Paint preferences can change within a recruiting season based on team performance. Since conference RPI is essentially locked in before recruiting 1 starts (with minor changes during post-season,) we don't know exactly what that preference represents. Unless someone has done a study to see if conference strength preference changes between R1 an R2 when conference prestige updates at then end of a season, we are all just guessing and assuming.
7/5/2018 10:05 PM
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Posted by topdogggbm on 7/5/2018 9:36:00 PM (view original):
Posted by cedarberry on 7/5/2018 9:05:00 PM (view original):
Sources?
His 330 successful seasons of HD is a valuable source.

There's no reason a recruit would recieve any benefit for conference strength, if he has no concern about the strength of the conference. If so that would basically mean every single recruit out there would get an equal bump. Making it a non factor.
Also not to be argumentative because you’re probably correct but team prestige is factored into AP’s even when recruits don’t have a preference for “Success” or “Rebuild”. Any additional boosts due to team/conference prestige is very beneficial!
7/5/2018 10:55 PM
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Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/5/2018 10:05:00 PM (view original):
Posted by topdogggbm on 7/5/2018 9:36:00 PM (view original):
Posted by cedarberry on 7/5/2018 9:05:00 PM (view original):
Sources?
His 330 successful seasons of HD is a valuable source.

There's no reason a recruit would recieve any benefit for conference strength, if he has no concern about the strength of the conference. If so that would basically mean every single recruit out there would get an equal bump. Making it a non factor.
Not to be argumentative but I'm not certain this is correct. Conference strength can represent either conference prestige or current conference RPI, or both. Is there a written confirmation from selbe that conference strength preference is tied to conference prestige only? Perimeter and Paint preferences can change within a recruiting season based on team performance. Since conference RPI is essentially locked in before recruiting 1 starts (with minor changes during post-season,) we don't know exactly what that preference represents. Unless someone has done a study to see if conference strength preference changes between R1 an R2 when conference prestige updates at then end of a season, we are all just guessing and assuming.
Its average prestige. It's right there in the FAQ/recruiting guide.
7/5/2018 11:41 PM (edited)
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Posted by zagsrulez on 7/5/2018 10:55:00 PM (view original):
Posted by topdogggbm on 7/5/2018 9:36:00 PM (view original):
Posted by cedarberry on 7/5/2018 9:05:00 PM (view original):
Sources?
His 330 successful seasons of HD is a valuable source.

There's no reason a recruit would recieve any benefit for conference strength, if he has no concern about the strength of the conference. If so that would basically mean every single recruit out there would get an equal bump. Making it a non factor.
Also not to be argumentative because you’re probably correct but team prestige is factored into AP’s even when recruits don’t have a preference for “Success” or “Rebuild”. Any additional boosts due to team/conference prestige is very beneficial!
Being argumentative is a good thing. And its why we're here. I should've said more along the lines of what shoe said. Its benefits would be very minor. I just don't see how conference strength could make any significant impact regarding recruitis that don't have that preference. Sure, higher prestige teams have a leg up on lower pestige teams in general. And that builds into that conference prestige.

It seems to be somewhat moot in my opinion. It seems to me that would be unnecessary to factor in. Because it would have to be programmed in to every single recruit that's generated. To me that just seems like extra unnecessary clutter added to the programming.

Also, when it comes to the success/rebuild preference, that's more of a standout preference that carries more weight. I don't feel conference strength is near as important in recruits without the preference. They are choosing A school. Not 12 schools.
7/6/2018 4:43 AM
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Posted by shoe3 on 7/5/2018 9:52:00 PM (view original):
For recruits who don’t care about conference strength, Conference strength helps to the extent a strong conference helps prestige of the team, helps tourney seeding, etc. In other words, it isn’t nothing, but it’s not much.
In D1 conference prestige also effects team prestige.
7/6/2018 6:25 AM
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Posted by topdogggbm on 7/6/2018 4:43:00 AM (view original):
Posted by zagsrulez on 7/5/2018 10:55:00 PM (view original):
Posted by topdogggbm on 7/5/2018 9:36:00 PM (view original):
Posted by cedarberry on 7/5/2018 9:05:00 PM (view original):
Sources?
His 330 successful seasons of HD is a valuable source.

There's no reason a recruit would recieve any benefit for conference strength, if he has no concern about the strength of the conference. If so that would basically mean every single recruit out there would get an equal bump. Making it a non factor.
Also not to be argumentative because you’re probably correct but team prestige is factored into AP’s even when recruits don’t have a preference for “Success” or “Rebuild”. Any additional boosts due to team/conference prestige is very beneficial!
Being argumentative is a good thing. And its why we're here. I should've said more along the lines of what shoe said. Its benefits would be very minor. I just don't see how conference strength could make any significant impact regarding recruitis that don't have that preference. Sure, higher prestige teams have a leg up on lower pestige teams in general. And that builds into that conference prestige.

It seems to be somewhat moot in my opinion. It seems to me that would be unnecessary to factor in. Because it would have to be programmed in to every single recruit that's generated. To me that just seems like extra unnecessary clutter added to the programming.

Also, when it comes to the success/rebuild preference, that's more of a standout preference that carries more weight. I don't feel conference strength is near as important in recruits without the preference. They are choosing A school. Not 12 schools.
Conference strength is baked into determining your school prestige at D1.

But no, it does not impact recruiting effort as a multiplier unless the player wants a strong conference. That was explained in Beta.
7/6/2018 6:27 AM
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Posted by Benis on 7/5/2018 11:41:00 PM (view original):
Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/5/2018 10:05:00 PM (view original):
Posted by topdogggbm on 7/5/2018 9:36:00 PM (view original):
Posted by cedarberry on 7/5/2018 9:05:00 PM (view original):
Sources?
His 330 successful seasons of HD is a valuable source.

There's no reason a recruit would recieve any benefit for conference strength, if he has no concern about the strength of the conference. If so that would basically mean every single recruit out there would get an equal bump. Making it a non factor.
Not to be argumentative but I'm not certain this is correct. Conference strength can represent either conference prestige or current conference RPI, or both. Is there a written confirmation from selbe that conference strength preference is tied to conference prestige only? Perimeter and Paint preferences can change within a recruiting season based on team performance. Since conference RPI is essentially locked in before recruiting 1 starts (with minor changes during post-season,) we don't know exactly what that preference represents. Unless someone has done a study to see if conference strength preference changes between R1 an R2 when conference prestige updates at then end of a season, we are all just guessing and assuming.
Its average prestige. It's right there in the FAQ/recruiting guide.
I couldn't find it in the HD FAQ. If it is stated in the HD FAQ, I'll drop this immediately.

The Guide is an unofficial (and excellent) collaboration between chapel and yourself. Unless selbe wrote the guide or helped you guys write it, it is inspired opinion of high quality...but don't point to opinion as fact unless the developer is willing to confirm all of it.
7/6/2018 8:33 AM
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Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/6/2018 8:33:00 AM (view original):
Posted by Benis on 7/5/2018 11:41:00 PM (view original):
Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/5/2018 10:05:00 PM (view original):
Posted by topdogggbm on 7/5/2018 9:36:00 PM (view original):
Posted by cedarberry on 7/5/2018 9:05:00 PM (view original):
Sources?
His 330 successful seasons of HD is a valuable source.

There's no reason a recruit would recieve any benefit for conference strength, if he has no concern about the strength of the conference. If so that would basically mean every single recruit out there would get an equal bump. Making it a non factor.
Not to be argumentative but I'm not certain this is correct. Conference strength can represent either conference prestige or current conference RPI, or both. Is there a written confirmation from selbe that conference strength preference is tied to conference prestige only? Perimeter and Paint preferences can change within a recruiting season based on team performance. Since conference RPI is essentially locked in before recruiting 1 starts (with minor changes during post-season,) we don't know exactly what that preference represents. Unless someone has done a study to see if conference strength preference changes between R1 an R2 when conference prestige updates at then end of a season, we are all just guessing and assuming.
Its average prestige. It's right there in the FAQ/recruiting guide.
I couldn't find it in the HD FAQ. If it is stated in the HD FAQ, I'll drop this immediately.

The Guide is an unofficial (and excellent) collaboration between chapel and yourself. Unless selbe wrote the guide or helped you guys write it, it is inspired opinion of high quality...but don't point to opinion as fact unless the developer is willing to confirm all of it.
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7/6/2018 8:36 AM
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Posted by Benis on 7/6/2018 8:36:00 AM (view original):
Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/6/2018 8:33:00 AM (view original):
Posted by Benis on 7/5/2018 11:41:00 PM (view original):
Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/5/2018 10:05:00 PM (view original):
Posted by topdogggbm on 7/5/2018 9:36:00 PM (view original):
Posted by cedarberry on 7/5/2018 9:05:00 PM (view original):
Sources?
His 330 successful seasons of HD is a valuable source.

There's no reason a recruit would recieve any benefit for conference strength, if he has no concern about the strength of the conference. If so that would basically mean every single recruit out there would get an equal bump. Making it a non factor.
Not to be argumentative but I'm not certain this is correct. Conference strength can represent either conference prestige or current conference RPI, or both. Is there a written confirmation from selbe that conference strength preference is tied to conference prestige only? Perimeter and Paint preferences can change within a recruiting season based on team performance. Since conference RPI is essentially locked in before recruiting 1 starts (with minor changes during post-season,) we don't know exactly what that preference represents. Unless someone has done a study to see if conference strength preference changes between R1 an R2 when conference prestige updates at then end of a season, we are all just guessing and assuming.
Its average prestige. It's right there in the FAQ/recruiting guide.
I couldn't find it in the HD FAQ. If it is stated in the HD FAQ, I'll drop this immediately.

The Guide is an unofficial (and excellent) collaboration between chapel and yourself. Unless selbe wrote the guide or helped you guys write it, it is inspired opinion of high quality...but don't point to opinion as fact unless the developer is willing to confirm all of it.
Recruiting Guide
lol, damn. Too much to drink yesterday...and apparently this morning???

Sorry, benis..
7/6/2018 8:43 AM
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Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/6/2018 8:43:00 AM (view original):
Posted by Benis on 7/6/2018 8:36:00 AM (view original):
Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/6/2018 8:33:00 AM (view original):
Posted by Benis on 7/5/2018 11:41:00 PM (view original):
Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/5/2018 10:05:00 PM (view original):
Posted by topdogggbm on 7/5/2018 9:36:00 PM (view original):
Posted by cedarberry on 7/5/2018 9:05:00 PM (view original):
Sources?
His 330 successful seasons of HD is a valuable source.

There's no reason a recruit would recieve any benefit for conference strength, if he has no concern about the strength of the conference. If so that would basically mean every single recruit out there would get an equal bump. Making it a non factor.
Not to be argumentative but I'm not certain this is correct. Conference strength can represent either conference prestige or current conference RPI, or both. Is there a written confirmation from selbe that conference strength preference is tied to conference prestige only? Perimeter and Paint preferences can change within a recruiting season based on team performance. Since conference RPI is essentially locked in before recruiting 1 starts (with minor changes during post-season,) we don't know exactly what that preference represents. Unless someone has done a study to see if conference strength preference changes between R1 an R2 when conference prestige updates at then end of a season, we are all just guessing and assuming.
Its average prestige. It's right there in the FAQ/recruiting guide.
I couldn't find it in the HD FAQ. If it is stated in the HD FAQ, I'll drop this immediately.

The Guide is an unofficial (and excellent) collaboration between chapel and yourself. Unless selbe wrote the guide or helped you guys write it, it is inspired opinion of high quality...but don't point to opinion as fact unless the developer is willing to confirm all of it.
Recruiting Guide
lol, damn. Too much to drink yesterday...and apparently this morning???

Sorry, benis..
It's all good man.
7/6/2018 9:18 AM
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