What's the lowest you're willing to go as far as the eventual stamina a 4-year recruit will get to? (Probably need to separate it for whether you're playing FB / FCP vs any other off / def.)

Assume the rest of his ratings / potebtials are clearly starter-caliber.

I signed a dude with a 48 one time. He was very good.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/5/2019 6:44:00 AM (view original):
I signed a dude with a 48 one time. He was very good.

Right, but he must have been a blue or green, right? So what's the lowest you'd go for his eventual STA?

I'd much rather have a stud player playing for me for 15 minutes a game than against me. Honestly when I recruit I don't even look at stamina.

I run zone, have never looked at stamina when recruiting.

Posted by bhansalid00 on 1/5/2019 7:56:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/5/2019 6:44:00 AM (view original):
I signed a dude with a 48 one time. He was very good.

Right, but he must have been a blue or green, right? So what's the lowest you'd go for his eventual STA?

Yeah he was green. But I generally don’t ever look at stamina.

I ran FCP on defense and usually was going up-tempo for the bulk of the season, so I ran a 12-man rotation most years. When I knew that was the case, I was good with stamina in the high 60s at max...that would get me 16-18 mpg per game without much worry of running in the orange/red.

This guy is at 54 and may get to 60.

This guy is also 54, he also might hit 60.

This guy maxed out at 64, he was an AA.

I am pretty happy with all of them.

This thread is interesting to me. Because every response so far has been "meh on stamina". But there's a select group of coaches here that put stamina above all.

When I first started, i thought stamina and durability were both useless. But now with experience, I know that's not the case.

For you successful coaches that responded here that aren't big on stamina, why not? Do you feel it's overrated? Do you not run uptempo with your press? Is there any other thing I left out that stands out as to why you overlook stamina? The more i've learned, stamina is a super powerful attribute. So much so, that I think the game over rates it. I've seen average players with great stamina dominate consistently, when there's no way they should be that good. Like this guy....

https://imgur.com/a/HF83JY7

13ppg and 9 rpg on 53% fg. With a 79 REB and 54 LP. He just seemed to overachieve for me. And he's not an extreme example really. Just one that came to mind

So I'm curious to to hear more about why NOT to look at it. Especially from Piman and TJ if you don't mind guys.

Like most things, stamina is super important in certain Situations but I would never not recruit someone because they had stamina in the 60s.

I mean maybe if i if I was running some zone team and was only running an 8 man rotation I wimght sacrifice skills for stamina but that’s really the only time I would do it.

I have ave a hard time believing in the hard core press guys saying “ I would take an 80 core 90 stamina guy over a 90 core 65 stamina guy”. That’s an awful lot to give up for 4 minutes

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/5/2019 10:42:00 PM (view original):
Like most things, stamina is super important in certain Situations but I would never not recruit someone because they had stamina in the 60s.

I mean maybe if i if I was running some zone team and was only running an 8 man rotation I wimght sacrifice skills for stamina but that’s really the only time I would do it.

I have ave a hard time believing in the hard core press guys saying “ I would take an 80 core 90 stamina guy over a 90 core 65 stamina guy”. That’s an awful lot to give up for 4 minutes

But it's not the minute differential that makes the difference. It's the peak performance. As in, two guys with all equal cores in the 80s. Player 1 with 90 stamina will dominate all 22 minutes he's on the floor. Player 2 with 65 stamina would only dominate maybe 16 minutes of his 22 minutes on the floor. The remaining 6 minutes he would be fatigued and play like a guy that has 70s cores or 60s cores.

And keep in mind, i'm not shooting down what you're saying. I'm still trying to make my own opinions on stamina as well. And the more input I hear from people, and results I see, the better.

For me, it's hard to watch the coaches that I associate with continue to win title after title and all they talk about is stamina stamina stamina. And they always have the highest team stamina in the division. And they win big. So it's hard to argue with them.

1. Your math isn’t right
2. Stamina is way more important for dominant scorers than for role players.
3. I did just post a player who was an AA with a 64 stamina. Do you think he didn’t dominate?
4. The guys winning title after title have way more than just high stamina.

1. I wasn't doing any math. I was trying to help you understand the viewpoint that i'm given from others, regarding stamina.
2. I wouldn't know if that's right or wrong. Personally I'd agree with that.
3. I'm sure he did. I didn't look in depth, but were you running press and/or fastbreak? That's basically the only sets at play here. As I know for the other sets that stamina is not as important.
4. Sure. BUT.... what they focus on, is stamina. What they preach is stamina. And what they say is the difference maker is the stamina. And also on this one, sometimes a certain coach has teams that look mediocre to me except for his standout stamina. The coach himself says others have told him the same thing "how can you win so much with a team like that?". He can chime in if he wants too. But I won't state who it is. You may be able to tell just from that description, I don't know.

Add on, i'm currently #1 everything in D2 Smith and undefeated. With a team that has good stamina. Top 3 in D2 I think. But i don't base all my success on just the stamina because I have tons of other good things going for me. So i'm not living and dying by it at the moment. But I really like this topic. And I'm honestly not used to so many people saying they don't value it much.

I will take a bench player with low stamina but never a starter. The lowest max stamina guy I have ever had was Bondy who plays for Baylor. He is nearly maxed out at 58. He comes in does his job then goes back to the bench and lights up another cigarette.

https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=0&pid=4041581

Top dog, are you talking about fb/fcp? If so stamina is arguably the third most important stat. If you are talking all sets I don’t believe it is