Rule V Leg #64 Draft Thread Topic

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Originally created many moons ago by examinerebb, this league makes any franchise a contender (the Royals and Rangers have won two of the most recent world series), and a better group of owners can't be found on the site. There is much good-natured banter in the draft thread and the league chat, so bring your sense of humor. The rules are simple:

1. Each owner chooses a franchise. Franchise draft order is in inverse order of win percentage from the previous season for non-playoff teams, then inverse order of win percentage of non-World Series playoff teams, with the WS runner-up picking 23rd, and the WS champ choosing last. New owners will be assigned the draft position of any previous owners who are not returning, with the first to sign up receiving the highest slot, and so on. Division alignment will be determined by the commissioner after team selection is complete. We will attempt to keep divisions as close to real life as possible. Geography will be the first factor, but we will also attempt to maintain traditional rivalries if possible.

2. Each owner chooses five players he/she wishes to protect from that franchise (1969-present) and submits that list via sitemail to me. Those players are the exclusive property of their respective owners.

3. After all lists are submitted, they will be posted and a three round modified Rule V draft will be held, with draft order being inverse order of each franchise's Rule V win percentage through all legs from which we have data (the worst teams pick first). Many thanks to schwarze for compiling this data. Each owner selects one unprotected player from any active franchise but their own (player seasons for franchises that were not chosen are not eligible). That player is also theirs exclusively. No more than two players may be taken from any one franchise in any one round.

4. At the end of the first and second rounds, each owner will choose an additional player they wish to protect. You will end up protecting seven in all, while drafting three. These ten players must appear on your roster. The rest of the roster is filled by players from your franchise during the given time period (1969-present day).

$120 Million Cap
No trades
No WW
No DH
No AAA

No clones (same player, same franchise - if a player played for more than one franchise, he is available once for each franchise).
If a player split time between multiple teams in a season (as listed at WIS) his full season is available once for each team
SLL limited to current series.
Stadium must have been used by your franchise for at least one full season between 1969 and present.
Tiebreaker for draft positions will be run differential from the previous season, worse differential picks first.

For those new to the Rule V fold:

There is much good-natured ribbing during the draft (we try not to be too player-specific, so as not to influence the draft, but sometimes the temptation is too much). Do not take it personally. Pick a draft strategy and stay the course, regardless.

Glossary

He Who Must Not Be Named (HWMNBN) - A former player/manager/dirtbag for the Cincinnati Reds (and later, Philadelphia Phillies and Montreal Expos) who defiled the grand game of baseball. No Rule V team has ever won a title with him, so heed jose's warnings about karma. I would imagine Lady Karma grows weary from teaching the same lesson over and over, as the ruler with which she raps offending knuckles seems to grow with each passing season. The scumbag finally won a couple of championships. Lady Karma has stunned us all with this development

The Single Most Overrated Pitcher of All Time (TSMOPOAT) - Nolan Ryan

The Single Most Overrated Position Player of All Time (TSMOPPOAT) - Cal Ripken, Jr.

(Both of those players designated by Vegas...see below)

Vegas - jose can u c - Our Rule V Prediction King (emeritus)

Newest Entry: Alleyviper's Favorite Third Baseman of All Time (AFTBOAT) - Scott Rolen (has picked him in ten drafts)
7/7/2019 10:59 PM
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Player Draft Order - Franchises selected are in RED
1 Rays 13 847 1259 0.4022
2 D'backs 23 1677 2049 0.4501
3 Pirates 31 2370 2652 0.4719
4 White Sox 18 1377 1539 0.4722
5 Tigers 35 2680 2992 0.4725
6 Twins 35 2729 2943 0.4811
7 Angels 26 2049 2164 0.4864
8 Rockies 18 1419 1498 0.4865
9 Rangers 26 2053 2160 0.4873
10 Brewers 32 2560 2628 0.4934
11 Marlins 27 2162 2214 0.4941
12 Expos 45 3622 3671 0.4966
13 Orioles 37 2979 3016 0.4969
14 Blue Jays 41 3314 3330 0.4988
15 Padres 33 2669 2678 0.4992
16 Mariners 42 3413 3394 0.5014
17 Indians 43 3494 3473 0.5015
18 Red Sox 45 3661 3630 0.5021
19 Phillies 41 3361 3284 0.5058
20 Reds 37 3043 2952 0.5076
21 Royals 40 3303 3180 0.5095
22 Mets 40 3312 3169 0.5110
23 Giants 41 3397 3248 0.5112
24 Cubs 35 2899 2771 0.5113
25 Braves 44 3665 3463 0.5142
26 Cardinals 45 3763 3528 0.5161
27 Yankees 41 3475 3167 0.5232
28 Dodgers 44 3770 3360 0.5288
29 A's 45 3866 3426 0.5302
30 Astros 45 3914 3377 0.5368
7/10/2019 5:25 AM (edited)
sinfonian11
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Franchise Draft (timed schedule begins TUESDAY 7/9)
  1. dilligafdbp 50-112 .309^ Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals*
  2. deathdealer 61-101 .377 New York Yankees*
  3. sakensei 63-99 .389 Los Angeles Dodgers*
  4. mussopini23 65-97 .401 Atlanta Braves*
  5. spoonfed 66-96 .407 Oakland Athletics*
  6. ff09 75-87 .463 Houston Astros*
  7. specsman 77-85 .475 Milwaukee Brewers*
  8. spikeboots 78-84 .483 Toronto Blue Jays*
  9. Lincoln15 78-84 .483 Cleveland Indians*
  10. tridentric 78-84 .483 Chicago Cubs*
  11. sinfonian11 81-81 .500 St. Louis Cardinals*
  12. shaybee 81-81 .500 Chicago White Sox*
  13. trenchfoot 85-77 .525 Minnesota Twins*
  14. Chisock 89-73 .549 Detroit Tigers
  15. buddhagamer 89-73 .549 New York Mets*
  16. captmurphy 92-71 .564 Boston Red Sox*
  17. newarkwilder 84-78 .519* Philadelphia Phillies*
  18. justinlee_24 93-70 .571* Los Angeles Angels*
  19. rbow923 93-69 .574* San Francisco Giants*
  20. alleyviper 94-68 .580* Arizona Diamondbacks*
  21. nordawg 94-68 .580* Cincinnati Reds*
  22. bob_shabazz 94-68 .580* Seattle Mariners*
  23. atheistdeals 92-70 .568& Pittsburgh Pirates*
  24. pumpkinmcp 93-69 .574$ Kansas City Royals*
* third round keeper sent

^ new owner
* playoff team
& World Series runner-up
$ World Series champion

Owner list for sitemailing: dilligafdbp; deathdealer; sakensei; mussopini23; spoonfed; ff09; specsman; spikeboots; Lincoln15; tridentric; sinfonian11; shaybee; trenchfoot; Chisock; buddhagamer; captmurphy; newarkwilder; justinlee_24; rbow923; alleyviper; nordawg; bob_shabazz; atheistdeals; pumpkinmcp

Division Alignment:
NL East: Braves, Mets, Expos/Nats, Phillies
NL Central: Brewers, Pirates, Cubs, Cardinals
NL West: Reds, Dodgers, Giants, Diamondbacks
AL East: Yankees Red Sox, Blue Jays, Tigers
AL Central: White Sox, Indians, Royals, Twins
AL West: Athletics, Mariners, Angels, Astros
7/16/2019 2:35 PM (edited)
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Player Draft First Round (timed schedule starts Friday 7/12)
  1. alleyviper - Arizona Diamondbacks: TSMOPOAT - HOU
  2. atheistdeals - Pittsburgh Pirates: Mike Norris - OAK
  3. shaybee - Chicago White Sox: Pedro Martinez - NYM
  4. Chisock - Detroit Tigers: Kevin Brown - LAD
  5. trenchfoot - Minnesota Twins: Nomar Garciaparra - BOS
  6. justinlee_24 - Los Angeles Angels: Orel Hershiser - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  7. specsman - Milwaukee Brewers: Alex Rodriguez - NYY
  8. dilligafdbp - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Justin Verlander - HOU (Astros off the board)
  9. spikeboots - Toronto Blue Jays: Chris Sale - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
  10. bob_shabazz - Seattle Mariners: Johnny Bench - CIN
  11. Lincoln15 - Cleveland Indians: Tim Hudson - OAK (Athletics off the board)
  12. captmurphy - Boston Red Sox: Dave Righetti - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  13. newarkwilder - Philadelphia Phillies: Alan Trammell - DET
  14. nordawg - Cincinnati Reds: Curt Schilling - PHI
  15. pumpkinmcp - Kansas City Royals: Dick Allen - CHW
  16. buddhagamer - New York Mets: Derrek Lee - CHC
  17. rbow923 - San Francisco Giants: Barry Larkin - CIN (Reds off the board)
  18. tridentric - Chicago Cubs: Jimmy Rollins - PHI (Phillies off the board)
  19. mussopini23 - Atlanta Braves: Willie McGee - STL
  20. sinfonian11 - St. Louis Cardinals: Ryne Sandberg - CHC (Cubs off the board)
  21. deathdealer - New York Yankees: Howard Johnson - NYM (Mets off the board)
  22. sakensei - Los Angeles Dodgers: Jeff Kent - SFG
  23. spoonfed - Oakland Athletics: Javy Lopez - ATL
  24. ff09 - Houston Astros: Ozzie Smith - STL (Cardinals off the board)
Player Draft Second Round (timed schedule starts MONDAY 7/15)
  1. alleyviper - Arizona Diamondbacks: Fred Lynn - BOS
  2. atheistdeals - Pittsburgh Pirates: Hideo Nomo - LAD
  3. shaybee - Chicago White Sox: Adrian Beltre - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  4. Chisock - Detroit Tigers: Craig Biggio - HOU
  5. trenchfoot - Minnesota Twins: Larry Dierker - HOU (Astros off the board)
  6. justinlee_24 - Los Angeles Angels: Bernie Williams - NYY
  7. specsman - Milwaukee Brewers: Scott Garrelts - SFG
  8. dilligafdbp - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Carl Yastrzemski - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
  9. spikeboots - Toronto Blue Jays: Jorge Posada - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  10. bob_shabazz - Seattle Mariners: Manny Ramirez - CLE
  11. Lincoln15 - Cleveland Indians: Pascual Perez - MON/WSH
  12. captmurphy - Boston Red Sox: Reggie Jackson - OAK
  13. newarkwilder - Philadelphia Phillies: Adam Wainwright - STL
  14. nordawg - Cincinnati Reds: Darrell Evans - ATL
  15. pumpkinmcp - Kansas City Royals: Christian Yelich - MIL
  16. buddhagamer - New York Mets: Willie Wilson - KCR
  17. rbow923 - San Francisco Giants: Bobby Abreu - PHI
  18. tridentric - Chicago Cubs: Kevin Mitchell - SFG (Giants off the board)
  19. mussopini23 - Atlanta Braves: Bruce Sutter - CHC
  20. sinfonian11 - St. Louis Cardinals: Brian Giles - PIT
  21. deathdealer - New York Yankees: Mike Piazza - NYM
  22. sakensei - Los Angeles Dodgers: Jim Thome - CLE (Indians off the board)
  23. spoonfed - Oakland Athletics: Mark Eichhorn - TOR
  24. ff09 - Houston Astros: Ted Simmons - STL (Cardinals off the board)
Player Draft Third Round (timed schedule starts Wednesday 7/17)
  1. alleyviper - Arizona Diamondbacks: Mark McGwire - OAK
  2. atheistdeals - Pittsburgh Pirates: Andy Messersmith - LAA
  3. shaybee - Chicago White Sox: Stephen Strasburg - MON/WSH
  4. Chisock - Detroit Tigers: Dellin Betances - NYY
  5. trenchfoot - Minnesota Twins: Rollie Fingers - MIL
  6. justinlee_24 - Los Angeles Angels: JR Richard - HOU
  7. specsman - Milwaukee Brewers: Tug McGraw - NYM
  8. dilligafdbp - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Rich Aurillia - SFG
  9. spikeboots - Toronto Blue Jays: Andrew Miller - CLE
  10. bob_shabazz - Seattle Mariners: Jerry Reuss - LAD
  11. Lincoln15 - Cleveland Indians: Edgar Renteria - STL
  12. captmurphy - Boston Red Sox: Daniel Murphy - MON/WSH (Expos/Nats off the board)
  13. newarkwilder - Philadelphia Phillies: JD Martinez - BOS
  14. nordawg - Cincinnati Reds: Bill Singer - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  15. pumpkinmcp - Kansas City Royals: Bobby Murcer - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  16. buddhagamer - New York Mets: Ichiro Suzuki - SEA
  17. rbow923 - San Francisco Giants: Placido Polanco - DET
  18. tridentric - Chicago Cubs: 6:30pm Brandon Webb - ARI
  19. mussopini23 - Atlanta Braves: John Valentin - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
  20. sinfonian11 - St. Louis Cardinals: Felipe Rivero - PIT
  21. deathdealer - New York Yankees: Kevin Saucier - DET (Tigers off the board)
  22. sakensei - Los Angeles Dodgers: Robb Nen - SFG (Giants off the board)
  23. spoonfed - Oakland Athletics: Marcus Giles - ATL
  24. ff09 - Houston Astros: Tyler Houston - CHC
7/18/2019 7:39 AM (edited)
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List of keepers/draft picks

alleyviper - Arizona Diamondbacks: Randy Johnson, Curt Schilling, Daniel Hudson, Paul Goldschmidt, Luis Gonzalez, TSMOPOAT - HOU, Aaron Hill, Fred Lynn - BOS, Brad Ziegler, Mark McGwire - OAK

atheistdeals - Pittsburgh Pirates: Barry Bonds, Willie Stargell, Freddie Sanchez, Rick Reuschel, Rich Gossage, Mike Norris - OAK, Jay Bell, Hideo Nomo - LAD, Andy Van Slyke, Andy Messersmith - LAA

shaybee - Chicago White Sox: Wilbur Wood, Chris Sale, Albert Belle, Frank Thomas, Magglio Ordonez, Pedro Martinez - NYM, Keith Foulke, Adrian Beltre - LAD, David Robertson, Stephen Strasburg - MON/WSH

Chisock - Detroit Tigers: Tony Phillips, Miguel Cabrera, Magglio Ordonez, Justin Verlander, Max Scherzer, Kevin Brown - LAD, Willie Hernandez, Craig Biggio - HOU, Carlos Guillen, Dellin Betances - NYY

trenchfoot - Minnesota Twins: Joe Mauer, Chuck Knoblauch, Rod Carew, Kirby Puckett, Johan Santana, Nomar Garciaparra - BOS, Joe Nathan, Larry Dierker - HOU, Francisco Liriano, Rollie Fingers - MIL

justinlee_24 - Los Angeles Angels: Darin Erstad, Mike Trout, Chone Figgins, Frank Tanana, Troy Percival, Orel Hershiser - LAD, Mark Texeira, Bernie Williams - NYY, Mike Witt, JR Richard - HOU

specsman - Milwaukee Brewers: Robin Yount, Prince Fielder, Mike Caldwell, Teddy Higuera, CC Sabathia, Alex Rodriguez - NYY, Jonathan Lucroy, Scott Garrelts - SFG, Ryan Braun, Tug McGraw - NYM

dilligafdbp - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Bryce Harper, Tim Raines, Gary Carter, Pedro Martinez, Max Scherzer, Justin Verlander - HOU, Tim Burke, Carl Yastrzemski - BOS, Ryan Zimmerman, Rich Aurillia - SFG

spikeboots - Toronto Blue Jays: Roger Clemens, John Olerud, Carlos Delgado, Jose Bautista, Tony Fernandez, Chris Sale - BOS, Roberto Alomar, Jorge Posada - NYY, BJ Ryan, Andrew Miller - CLE

bob_shabazz - Seattle Mariners: Edgar Martinez, Alex Rodriguez, Ken Griffey, Jr., Randy Johnson, Felix Hernandez, Johnny Bench - CIN, Cliff Lee, Manny Ramirez - CLE, Bret Boone, Jerry Reuss - LAD

Lincoln15 - Cleveland Indians: Gaylord Perry, Corey Kluber, Albert Belle, Kenny Lofton, Roberto Alomar, Tim Hudson - OAK, Jose Ramirez, Pascual Perez - MON/WSH, Victor Martinez, Edgar Renteria - STL

captmurphy - Boston Red Sox: Mookie Betts, Wade Boggs, Rico Petrocelli, Pedro Martinez, Roger Clemens, Dave Righetti - NYY, Derek Lowe, Reggie Jackson - OAK, Manny Ramirez, Daniel Murphy - MON/WSH

newarkwilder - Philadelphia Phillies: Mike Schmidt, Ryan Howard, Chase Utley, Steve Carlton, Aaron Nola, Alan Trammell - DET, Lenny Dykstra, Adam Wainwright - STL, Roy Halladay, JD Martinez - BOS

nordawg - Cincinnati Reds: Joey Votto, Joe Morgan, HWMNBN, Tom Seaver, Johnny Cueto, Curt Schilling - PHI, George Foster, Darrell Evans - ATL, Aroldis Chapman, Bill Singer - LAD

pumpkinmcp - Kansas City Royals: George Brett, Darrell Porter, Bret Saberhagen, Kevin Appier, Zack Greinke, Dick Allen - CHW, David Cone, Christian Yelich - MIL, Wade Davis, Bobby Murcer - NYY

buddhagamer - New York Mets: Dwight Gooden, Tom Seaver, Jacob deGrom, Matt Harvey, Jose Reyes, Derrek Lee - CHC, David Wright, Willie Wilson - KCR, Edgardo Alfonzo, Ichiro Suzuki - SEA

rbow923 - San Francisco Giants: Jason Schmidt, Juan Marichal, Tim Lincecum, Barry Bonds, Willie McCovey, Barry Larkin - CIN, Buster Posey, Bobby Abreu - PHI, Rod Beck, Placido Polanco - DET

tridentric - Chicago Cubs: Greg Maddux, Jake Arrieta, Kyle Hendricks, Sammy Sosa, Billy Williams, Jimmy Rollins - PHI, Rick Wilkins, Kevin Mitchell - SFG, Aroldis Chapman, Brandon Webb - ARI

mussopini23 - Atlanta Braves: Greg Maddux, John Smoltz, Chipper Jones, Hank Aaron, Rico Carty, Willie McGee - STL, Craig Kimbrel, Bruce Sutter - CHC, Gary Sheffield, John Valentin - BOS

sinfonian11 - St. Louis Cardinals: John Tudor, Bob Gibson, Joe Torre, Albert Pujols, Mark McGwire, Ryne Sandberg - CHC, Chris Carpenter, Brian Giles - PIT, Yadier Molina, Felipe Rivero - PIT

deathdealer - New York Yankees: Paul O'Neill, Derek Jeter, Catfish Hunter, Ron Guidry, Fritz Peterson, Howard Johnson - NYM, Robinson Cano, Mike Piazza - NYM, Mariano Rivera, Kevin Saucier - DET

sakensei - Los Angeles Dodgers: Don Sutton, Clayton Kershaw, Zack Greinke, Mike Piazza, Manny Machado, Jeff Kent - SFG, Fernando Valenzuela, Jim Thome - CLE, Pedro Guerrero, Robb Nen - SFG

spoonfed - Oakland Athletics: Rickey Henderson, Jason Giambi, Catfish Hunter, Vida Blue, Blake Treinen, Javy Lopez - ATL, Jose Canseco, Mark Eichhorn - TOR, Eric Chavez, Marcus Giles - ATL

ff09 - Houston Astros: Lance Berkman, Jose Altuve, Jeff Bagwell, Mike Scott, Roger Clemens, Ozzie Smith - STL, Gerrit Cole, Ted Simmons - STL, Billy Wagner, Tyler Houston - CHC

Players Lost

ARI: Brandon Webb
PIT: Brian Giles, Felipe Rivero
CHW: Dick Allen
DET: Alan Trammell, Placido Polanco, Kevin Saucier
MIN: None
LAA: Andy Messersmith
MIL: Christian Yelich, Rollie Fingers
MON/WSH: Pascual Perez, Stephen Strasburg, Daniel Murphy
TOR: Mark Eichhorn
SEA: Ichiro Suzuki
CLE: Manny Ramirez, Jim Thome, Andrew Miller
BOS: Nomar Garciaparra, Chris Sale, Fred Lynn, Carl Yastrzemski, JD Martinez, John Valentin
PHI: Curt Schilling, Jimmy Rollins, Bobby Abreu,
CIN: Johnny Bench, Barry Larkin
KCR: Willie Wilson
NYM: Pedro Martinez, Mike Piazza, Howard Johnson, Tug McGraw
SFG: Jeff Kent, Scott Garrelts, Kevin Mitchell, Rich Aurillia, Robb Nen
CHC: Derrek Lee, Ryne Sandberg, Bruce Sutter, Tyler Houston
ATL: Javy Lopez, Darrell Evans, Marcus Giles
STL: Willie McGee, Ozzie Smith, Adam Wainwright, Ted Simmons, Edgar Renteria
NYY: Alex Rodriguez, Dave Righetti, Bernie Williams, Jorge Posada, Dellin Betances, Bobby Murcer
LAD: Kevin Brown, Orel Hershiser, Hideo Nomo, Adrian Beltre, Jerry Reuss, Bill Singer
OAK: Mike Norris, Tim Hudson, Reggie Jackson, Mark McGwire
HOU: TSMOPOAT, Justin Verlander, Craig Biggio, Larry Dierker, JR Richard
7/18/2019 9:04 AM (edited)
dilligafdbp
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Yikes, never been 1st before (?)…

Usually we bottom feed to get an earlier player pick, but what the heck;

Expos
7/8/2019 8:44 AM
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welcome back dill!! Great pick, they are usually a fav of mine
7/8/2019 11:10 AM
sinfonian11
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I sitemailed deathdealer this afternoon. The timed schedule has been cued up for tomorrow.
7/8/2019 9:15 PM
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Sitemail notification has been erratic at best so I wouldn't be surprised if folks haven't seen it yet.
7/8/2019 9:34 PM
deathdealer
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Sorry. Last day of vacation. Out all day. No phone no internet. I’ll take the Yankees
7/8/2019 9:42 PM
sakensei
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I'll stay in the NL West and take the LA Dodgers, I will sitemail mussopini23 and spoonfed
7/9/2019 12:18 AM
pumpkinmcp
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It feels like the only time mussopini isn't around is when he's on the clock.
7/9/2019 12:00 PM
captmurphy
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Time is just an imaginary construct used to bring order to an otherwise unknowable universe anyway.
7/9/2019 12:09 PM
pumpkinmcp
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The universe is very knowable. I have a statistically significant sample of one particular player drafting anywhere from 12-72 hours late.
7/9/2019 12:10 PM
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I will take my favorite team!! Atlanta Braves for me
7/9/2019 12:14 PM
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