Which SS Option Would You Use? Topic

A team in UBA/Fisk has the following SS options:

817 innings so far - https://beta.whatifsports.com/hbd/Pages/Popups/PlayerRatings.aspx?pid=10302633
132 innings so far - https://beta.whatifsports.com/hbd/Pages/Popups/PlayerRatings.aspx?pid=10306782
49 innings so far - https://beta.whatifsports.com/hbd/Pages/Popups/PlayerRatings.aspx?pid=10305912
7 innings at SS, 922 innings at DH - https://beta.whatifsports.com/hbd/Pages/Popups/PlayerRatings.aspx?pid=10302769

Hopefully the links work...interested in opinions on this. Anyone think the players have been used properly?



3/25/2020 9:20 PM
Masao is the only one that should be near SS and that should be a last resort.
3/25/2020 9:58 PM
Masao is a legitimate SS, but definitely should never DH. I agree with mktulu on the rest. They aren't even close to SS. I think you may have a case of a tanker on your hands.
3/25/2020 10:13 PM (edited)
Masao is a perfectly fine second division starting SS; DH is an obvious misuse. Grant is a desperation starting 3B but a reasonable utility player; I have had contending teams where he'd get 250 AB. Sellers is a bench COF; I wouldn't even play him at 3B at this point. Peterson is what, a Hi-A 3B? He shouldn't ever see the majors, not even as a call-up.
3/25/2020 11:16 PM
Posted by bripat42 on 3/25/2020 10:24:00 PM (view original):
Season 1 after a merger and someone already is bringing the league's drama to the HBD forum. Odds on this league seeing a Season 2? Anyone?
I already told them it wouldn't see season 10...season 2 might happen, but there's no way this lasts long-term without some serious attitude adjustments. It had to be done...a vocal few were trying to claim that there was nothing wrong with playing non-SS at SS because the team was still close to .500. This is why just having MWR doesn't solve the tanking issue. Teams loaded with talent can soft tank and people think it's okay because they aren't terrible.

"Hey, we had so many issues in both leagues that the only way we could play was to merge...let's keep doing the things we were doing before!!!" - league battle cry

Before we merged, I told them merged worlds rarely work because the behaviors that forced the merger in the first place rarely change. Season 1 is the time to nip that in the bud, not ignore it and hope it goes away on its own.
3/26/2020 10:27 AM
Oof this is rough. I actually really like Maseo but that is the only one that can even be considered a SS out of the 4 listed.

Grant could play 3B or come off the bench but his bat isn't the greatest, mostly because his eye is brutal.

Sellers would be a corner outfileder that probably gets a gold glove and I'd be happy with that because the bat is good.

Pedersson makes me shake my head. But I have legit seen teams I have taken over that have guys like this that give em 5 years at 4 million per. That is almost harder to sort out then aging vets with 8 figure contracts because I can't do anything with em and I'm paying em 4 million to play in the minors.
3/26/2020 10:33 AM
3/26/2020 11:11 AM
We can all pick apart other people's teams and find ways of calling owners out for tanking. For example, I don't like the fact that slash hasn't signed a bunch of his draft picks while signing a $4.5MM IFA. But I'm not calling him out for it in the world chat, that is counterproductive to the health of the world. More so than a team that is close to .500 fielding a SS that might not be worthy of the position. I could also call out slash in his worth worlds for poor records, poor minor league records, and maybe keeping a player or 2 down in the minors rather than promoting him ahead of a major player that is worse.

Everyone, in some form, isn't doing their 100% best to maximize the ML roster. In fact, I'd rather see a quality minor league system and an average to slightly below-average ML team because it tells me that the owner is indeed going to be a longtime contributor. A team that is a world beater in the ML but fields sub .250 minor league teams just shows me an owner who will move around trying to find that flash-in-the-pan to get a WS. But that is just my opinion and I understand others might differ.

The only thing we can do is put parameters in place that have been successful elsewhere. Minimum win is the best place to start.

So slash- let's please keep additional thoughts on the subject to trade chats to the owner and to the commissioner. The commissioner can then propose different rules that would help with the situation. It might be voted for or against.

But I do agree with your assessment of the SS situation.
3/26/2020 2:12 PM
Posted by jamier2003 on 3/26/2020 2:13:00 PM (view original):
We can all pick apart other people's teams and find ways of calling owners out for tanking. For example, I don't like the fact that slash hasn't signed a bunch of his draft picks while signing a $4.5MM IFA. But I'm not calling him out for it in the world chat, that is counterproductive to the health of the world. More so than a team that is close to .500 fielding a SS that might not be worthy of the position. I could also call out slash in his worth worlds for poor records, poor minor league records, and maybe keeping a player or 2 down in the minors rather than promoting him ahead of a major player that is worse.

Everyone, in some form, isn't doing their 100% best to maximize the ML roster. In fact, I'd rather see a quality minor league system and an average to slightly below-average ML team because it tells me that the owner is indeed going to be a longtime contributor. A team that is a world beater in the ML but fields sub .250 minor league teams just shows me an owner who will move around trying to find that flash-in-the-pan to get a WS. But that is just my opinion and I understand others might differ.

The only thing we can do is put parameters in place that have been successful elsewhere. Minimum win is the best place to start.

So slash- let's please keep additional thoughts on the subject to trade chats to the owner and to the commissioner. The commissioner can then propose different rules that would help with the situation. It might be voted for or against.

But I do agree with your assessment of the SS situation.
Really bro? I am waiting to sign my #1 pick (if he will sign), but THAT'S all you have about how I run my team? You're not mad I traded my best player right when the season started for prospects (which kind of contradicts your point)?

I don't care about the minors. I do the best I can to maintain them, but there are no trophies for minor league success. If I have to sacrifice my RL team for the benefit of the franchise, so be it. That's not even close to being a team that has more ML talent than I do playing sub par defensive players at multiple positions on the IF.

You know how I found out about it? It was an accident. I was looking at the teams with losing records to find potential trade targets. I wasn't looking to see who was tanking...obviously it took me over 100 games to see it. I looked at his roster to see who I could trade for and was amazed at how much top end talent he had..which led to the question how is the team doing so poorly. Tanking 101 is play players out of position and sure enough that's where it was. I didn't even get to the NL; nor did I call out other teams that had less talent. I didn't go to the team stats, sort by defense, then minus plays looking for tankers. I accidentally stumbled across one team that had a lot of top end talent, but was under-performing and it was really easy to figure out why.

What's more concerning is how few people (nobody publicly; few privately through trade chat) cared; how many people would rather attack me for finding a less than ideal situation than were upset about the situation itself. THAT worries me about the future of the league far more than one owner under-performing because he didn't set things up right (if we're thinking best intentions). I posted here because the excuses were that the players were good SS options for him. I knew that wasn't true, but since people kept pushing it, I took it here to people that wouldn't just protect someone.

I didn't ask for him to be removed. I didn't even ask for a punishment. I said we can't tolerate it; we can't ignore it. Somehow that makes me the bad guy, but I'm good with that if that's what it takes to get things fixed.
3/26/2020 4:31 PM
The only solution to any of this is to play in a world with other owners who agree on the style of play and the rules. If you and/or a group of those like you are in disagreement with another group, you're just gonna drive yourself nuts.

That being said, I understand that some of you may dig that sort of thing.

3/26/2020 5:23 PM
Posted by damag on 3/26/2020 5:24:00 PM (view original):
The only solution to any of this is to play in a world with other owners who agree on the style of play and the rules. If you and/or a group of those like you are in disagreement with another group, you're just gonna drive yourself nuts.

That being said, I understand that some of you may dig that sort of thing.

For sure. My team is pretty good, but I have left really good teams before when I felt the league was so screwed up that it wasn't ever going to work for me. Season 1 isn't going to be when that happens, but I do agree with the sentiment. It's much harder to find a league where people put in effort than you'd think.
3/26/2020 5:26 PM
Posted by damag on 3/26/2020 5:24:00 PM (view original):
The only solution to any of this is to play in a world with other owners who agree on the style of play and the rules. If you and/or a group of those like you are in disagreement with another group, you're just gonna drive yourself nuts.

That being said, I understand that some of you may dig that sort of thing.

I wanted to say this, but I didn't know how to word it without it sounding snarky.
3/26/2020 7:04 PM
Posted by slashtc on 3/26/2020 5:26:00 PM (view original):
Posted by damag on 3/26/2020 5:24:00 PM (view original):
The only solution to any of this is to play in a world with other owners who agree on the style of play and the rules. If you and/or a group of those like you are in disagreement with another group, you're just gonna drive yourself nuts.

That being said, I understand that some of you may dig that sort of thing.

For sure. My team is pretty good, but I have left really good teams before when I felt the league was so screwed up that it wasn't ever going to work for me. Season 1 isn't going to be when that happens, but I do agree with the sentiment. It's much harder to find a league where people put in effort than you'd think.
I disagree. There are good worlds out there. You just have to find them.
3/26/2020 7:05 PM
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