Is it looked down upon to trade a player for cash near the end of the season in order to take the lead in Intl money and sign a good INTL prospect?

A lot. No way I’d ever allow a cash trade even without all those other stipulations. With those stipulations that is collusion of the highest degree.

Wow. That is a strong opinion. Any other folks agree/disagree?

I'd be giving up an 88 overall Type A for $4 million.

I would rage like hell against that. One of my worlds has a cash limit in trades for among other things, specifically avoiding that situation.

My opinion is this: if you don’t have enough prospect cash to win an IFA, you either didn’t budget enough, or you already spent it on something else. Selling a player puts you over 185 mil. And to piggyback on hockey1984, the guy sending you the cash is complicit.

thanks, guys. Not going to do it then. Don't want to cause a raucous.

I do not think it is bad at all. It is defintily not collusion lol. Cash is an asset just like a player is. Trading of assets is common in real life in all sports so it should not be an issue.

Posted by tlowster on 3/26/2020 10:53:00 PM (view original):
Wow. That is a strong opinion. Any other folks agree/disagree?

I'll expand because last night I was drunk/tired/cabin fever etc etc.

If you make a trade with an owner with no cash, or one where the cash can not exceed the players remaining salary, even if you totally fleece the other owner, in theory it is only effecting two teams/ owners. The two making the trade. (In theory it effects a lot of other owners due to strength of team, draft position etc etc but lets not go down that wormhole)

When you make a cash trade to sign an international free agent it effects at least 3 owners. The two making the trade and the one that had the top bid. The thing is, the owner with the top bid had no say in this what so ever and has to deal with the fact that they are out of luck on this one. Then do they go trade one of their players for cash? They may not have enough time before the INT signs thus double screwing them over. Its becomes a slippery slope.

More to damag's point, years ago in Riley we had an owner that had the first overall pick in the draft. Guy was a 'may sign if the deal is right.' Initially demands..... I think it was 6 million. No problem. Owner offers the money. Player comes back 'Changed my mind. I want 10.5' and the owner didn't have it. Tried to make a few cash trades before we vetoed all of them. Damag and a few others argued the level of the player being given away in the cash trade should equal the player the owner would get in the draft.

All in all it didn't effect the owner that much. They had over pick 1 and 2 the next year and went on to build a formidable franchise but its a very slippery slope if you allow some owners to play with more then $185 million. Then its no longer budget and resource management, it becomes an arms race.

All trades affect the other teams in the league. Cash in a trade if is not prohibited in the rules of the league should never be vetoed. Cash is an asset like a player. If the trade is relatively fair in context then it should never get vetoed. Trying to control how other people run there teams is b.s. in my opinion. If it is not in the private rules then it is not a rule. It happens in real life to a much larger extent.

As I stated, I play one world which limits cash in trade and all the owners have agreed to it. The solution, as always, is to play in a world where everyone agrees to these things. Or you do what I do in the other world, which is to try as best to ignore when you see guys doing things you don't agree with. When you don't, that's when the drama starts.

Posted by tlowster on 3/26/2020 9:24:00 PM (view original):
Is it looked down upon to trade a player for cash near the end of the season in order to take the lead in Intl money and sign a good INTL prospect?

Depends on the world. Many are "anything goes" where realism is not important -- in those worlds, trading players for cash is perfectly acceptable. Worlds that value realism often put caps on trade cash (limit to difference in trade salaries) and/or require current/future big leaguers on both sides of the trading ledger - in these worlds this kind of move would not fly.

[More to damag's point, years ago in Riley we had an owner that had the first overall pick in the draft. Guy was a 'may sign if the deal is right.' Initially demands..... I think it was 6 million. No problem. Owner offers the money. Player comes back 'Changed my mind. I want 10.5' and the owner didn't have it. Tried to make a few cash trades before we vetoed all of them.]

Here's exactly how that whole thing went down. First of all, the guy was a new owner to the world who immediately started openly tanking. He was called out in league chat. And this is a world with no rules, where some owners already soft tanked anyway. So he already crossed that line.
Then, early in the season, he blew a large amount of prospect cash on a second-rate IFA.
Then, with the first pick in the draft, like hockey1984 said, he chose a prospect - much better than the earlier IFA - who came back with an ask which he hadn't left enough money to afford. At that point he asked in league chat for someone to help him out.
So not only did he need help to get players he wanted, he was also asking for someone else to fix his mistake / help him get away with everything he wanted.
So you can say you don't care if you want, fine. The guy was not just tanking, he was asking for help tanking. I objected.

Best part was the one owner who said "we should let him do it, otherwise he gets both the #1 and #2 picks next season."

By the way, in MLB, the commissioner's office must approve any deal involving over $1M in cash. So any argument that it is common in MLB to buy players above this amount is false.

Posted by opie100 on 3/27/2020 12:16:00 PM (view original):
By the way, in MLB, the commissioner's office must approve any deal involving over $1M in cash. So any argument that it is common in MLB to buy players above this amount is false.

Charles O. Finley! Little history lesson there.

I just checked with the commish of the World to see if he would share his thoughts, but by the time he gets back to me, it might be too late to offer the trade, wait for the trade to be accepted, wait the day for the league to approve the trade, then transfer budget and submit a new offer to the intl prospect. I don't want to blow up the World with a move like this so that is why I asked. This World used to be Gleeman World 1 and I know that cash trades have a special place in the rage hormones for some of the leftover owners.