just an area to post your thoughts and comments regarding the draft and team building. i have always been interested to read how different managers view their clubs and selections made during a draft. i hope to incorporate this area once we have our private forum.

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In annual drafts, I tend to concentrate first on filling needs and only if all positions are well filled will I start taking the best (in my opinion) available player.

In inaugural drafts, I will tend to draft the best available pitcher with my first pick, followed by the best available middle infielder or catcher. Middle infielders and catchers are more scarce than outfielders or corner infielders in most eras.

Obviously in some cases (the inaugural draft for this league is such a case) there may be a player so outstanding that you forget about position and take him. Hornsby and Frisch are great players but not the caliber of Ruth.

Posted by dspahlinger on 6/11/2020 5:54:00 PM (view original):
In annual drafts, I tend to concentrate first on filling needs and only if all positions are well filled will I start taking the best (in my opinion) available player.

In augural drafts, I will tend to draft the best available pitcher with my first pick, followed by the best available middle infielder or catcher. Middle infielders and catchers are more scarce than outfielders or corner infielders in most eras.

Obviously in some cases (the inaugural draft for this league is such a case) there may be a player so outstanding that you forget about position and take him. Hornsby and Frisch are great players but not the caliber of Ruth.

very few are but no one was going to get Ruth after the first couple picks. Ruth is in a class only touched by a few players. course i could hope he would drop to 7 but it just was not going to happen.

that leads to a question i want to throw out there would you want to have Ruth and the 32nd pick or say pick 8-10 and the coresponding pick in the 2nd round?

ruth and the 32nd pick.Ruth is often a 20+ million dollar player that you will have for 4 or 5 cycles.The 8th place guy will probably be a 7or 8 million player.Its like saying would you rather have Tom brady and average recevers like he had at New England or the starting QB at Atlanta (Ryan0 and Julio Jones.One super bowl appearance by Atlanta and I think 9 superbowl appearances by New England.

Posted by jeff4noles on 6/11/2020 6:38:00 PM (view original):
ruth and the 32nd pick.Ruth is often a 20+ million dollar player that you will have for 4 or 5 cycles.The 8th place guy will probably be a 7or 8 million player.Its like saying would you rather have Tom brady and average recevers like he had at New England or the starting QB at Atlanta (Ryan0 and Julio Jones.One super bowl appearance by Atlanta and I think 9 superbowl appearances by New England.

Well said Jeff...that being said, if I had been blessed with the first pick I would feel like anything less than a trip or two to the WS would be disappointing. To your point again, the disparity in salary in my mind would warrant that mindset.

Also, I agree with Dave in initial analysis. I also look at my division mates picks as we move along and assess strengths and weaknesses( at least what I think are strength and weakness LOL )

Posted by Boddicker on 6/11/2020 6:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jeff4noles on 6/11/2020 6:38:00 PM (view original):
ruth and the 32nd pick.Ruth is often a 20+ million dollar player that you will have for 4 or 5 cycles.The 8th place guy will probably be a 7or 8 million player.Its like saying would you rather have Tom brady and average recevers like he had at New England or the starting QB at Atlanta (Ryan0 and Julio Jones.One super bowl appearance by Atlanta and I think 9 superbowl appearances by New England.

Well said Jeff...that being said, if I had been blessed with the first pick I would feel like anything less than a trip or two to the WS would be disappointing. To your point again, the disparity in salary in my mind would warrant that mindset.

Also, I agree with Dave in initial analysis. I also look at my division mates picks as we move along and assess strengths and weaknesses( at least what I think are strength and weakness LOL )

I really think a 90 or 95 million cap with below average AAA would nuetralize the Ruth effect.When people say "yeah but u get the 1 and 32 pick ,it is forgotten that you also get the 33rd pick.

Posted by jeff4noles on 6/11/2020 7:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Boddicker on 6/11/2020 6:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jeff4noles on 6/11/2020 6:38:00 PM (view original):
ruth and the 32nd pick.Ruth is often a 20+ million dollar player that you will have for 4 or 5 cycles.The 8th place guy will probably be a 7or 8 million player.Its like saying would you rather have Tom brady and average recevers like he had at New England or the starting QB at Atlanta (Ryan0 and Julio Jones.One super bowl appearance by Atlanta and I think 9 superbowl appearances by New England.

Well said Jeff...that being said, if I had been blessed with the first pick I would feel like anything less than a trip or two to the WS would be disappointing. To your point again, the disparity in salary in my mind would warrant that mindset.

Also, I agree with Dave in initial analysis. I also look at my division mates picks as we move along and assess strengths and weaknesses( at least what I think are strength and weakness LOL )

I really think a 90 or 95 million cap with below average AAA would nuetralize the Ruth effect.When people say "yeah but u get the 1 and 32 pick ,it is forgotten that you also get the 33rd pick.

good point plenty of good players to be had at pick 32-33 especially in the initial draft not quite as true in subsequent drafts.

The following may be of interest

I run the 7 Year Itch League, which progresses 7 seasons at a time.

In that league Babe Ruth was the #1 pick in season 2 (1910-1916) by the Cleveland Indians.

In season 2 the Indians did not make the playoffs
In season 3 (1917-1923) the Indians did not make the playoffs
In season 4 (1924-1930) the Indians won their division but lost in the ALCS.
In season 5 (1931-1937), the Indians did not make the playoffs.

This ia only 1 instance, but certainly drafting Babe Ruth does NOT guarantee a WS win.

Posted by dspahlinger on 6/11/2020 10:03:00 PM (view original):
The following may be of interest

I run the 7 Year Itch League, which progresses 7 seasons at a time.

In that league Babe Ruth was the #1 pick in season 2 (1910-1916) by the Cleveland Indians.

In season 2 the Indians did not make the playoffs
In season 3 (1917-1923) the Indians did not make the playoffs
In season 4 (1924-1930) the Indians won their division but lost in the ALCS.
In season 5 (1931-1937), the Indians did not make the playoffs.

This ia only 1 instance, but certainly drafting Babe Ruth does NOT guarantee a WS win.

he takes up big chunk of your budget so you have to cut elsewhere to fit him in. granted he is a talent but is it worth the trade off. we will see how they build around him.

i wish - going into the draft there were 2 players i hoped may be there when i picked.
1a Dazzy Vance
1b Frankie Frish
both were good players that i could use for a number of seasons but both were gone. so i had to punt.
i considered the usual suspects Speaker, Sisler and Cobb and if this draft had been set during the teens i probably would have gone with Cobb as he is an old time great Detroit Tiger player. i turned my eye to pitching and decided on Eppa Rixey a good pitcher for this time period. I can use him for 3 seasons and playing in Navin Stadium with its plus 2 to homeruns his home run rate of .09 definitly caught my eye. i chose him over an another player that i considered (hope he drops ro me in the 2nd but i am not holding my breath) who brought other qualities i admired and was torn about.

Posted by ronsouth1 on 6/11/2020 10:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dspahlinger on 6/11/2020 10:03:00 PM (view original):
The following may be of interest

I run the 7 Year Itch League, which progresses 7 seasons at a time.

In that league Babe Ruth was the #1 pick in season 2 (1910-1916) by the Cleveland Indians.

In season 2 the Indians did not make the playoffs
In season 3 (1917-1923) the Indians did not make the playoffs
In season 4 (1924-1930) the Indians won their division but lost in the ALCS.
In season 5 (1931-1937), the Indians did not make the playoffs.

This ia only 1 instance, but certainly drafting Babe Ruth does NOT guarantee a WS win.

he takes up big chunk of your budget so you have to cut elsewhere to fit him in. granted he is a talent but is it worth the trade off. we will see how they build around him.

In all fairness, I had failed to point out that in season1 the Indians were 65-97 so Ruth was joining a poor team.