The Complete Destruction of the Trump Brand Topic

While it sucks that it took an insurrection against the United States along with a handful of deaths to make it happen . . .

. . . it’s still a beautiful thing to watch happening in real time.
1/13/2021 11:06 PM
You hate to see it.
1/13/2021 11:34 PM
It only took you over 4 years. And you call your party efficient. Hrummph.
1/14/2021 4:26 AM
No ONE calls either Party "efficient". Lies and spin...........that's the entire Republican playbook nowadays!
1/14/2021 7:44 AM
Posted by DougOut on 1/14/2021 4:26:00 AM (view original):
It only took you over 4 years. And you call your party efficient. Hrummph.
I don't have a party. I'm an independent.

Both parties suck. Too much partisanship of party over country.

The fact that only 10 GOP members of the House voted for impeachment yesterday is shameful.
1/14/2021 11:05 AM
Yeah, I really thought he'd get 30%+ of the Republican votes on this one.

I always felt that the first impeachment was a little bit suspect. I don't think the evidence would have held up in a non-partisan court to the legal standard of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

This one is open and shut. Obviously there is going to be some partisanship all the time, but come on...
1/14/2021 12:29 PM
for the most part, the political parties and the members of those parties only care about keeping or increasing whatever power they have. They don't really care too much about the good of the country. If they did, the country would not be in as bad shape as it is.
1/14/2021 12:53 PM
I really think that convicting Trump is beneficial for Mitch though.

We'll have to see.

Obviously on a moral level, Trump needs to be convicted.
1/14/2021 1:01 PM
First of all, I don't really think the country's in all that bad of shape. I think we're led to believe that by a bunch of people who want to sell us something, or win our votes. But overall, I think it's pretty good. Prior to the pandemic, which was largely unavoidable, there was extremely low unemployment, homelessness was very low, very few people starve to death, very few people die of preventable diseases. On both a global and historical comparison we're not doing all that badly. Not quite as well as Norway or Japan, but pretty well.

But what I really wanted to say is, while this may largely be true (parties only caring about keeping or increasing power), it doesn't mean Republicans couldn't have voted for impeachment. There are two components of this. First, it wouldn't be all that shocking if the Republican establishment had, in the wake of the Capital storming, decided that Trump was not a good look for them and they were going to distance themselves from him. He'd already clearly lost all of his appeals on the election at that point, so embracing Trump doesn't buy them anything in the short term. They have to make a decision on whether accepting or rejecting Trump going forward is going to reflect more favorably in future elections. I'm honestly not sure what the answer to that question is in the mid-term. I think truly long-term, rejecting Trump now likely makes the Republican party stronger in 20 years. History is going to look back on the Trump presidency very unfavorably. In the mid-term there are still a lot of Republican voters who absolutely adore him, and I can see why you might fear alienating those voters. So anyway - yeah, not obvious to me what the Republican establishment would/should choose.

Second, each congressperson is an individual and not only a member of his party. Ultimately, she (or he) needs to vote in the way that she feels will preserve her individual power moving forward. For people from tightly contested districts or districts with large numbers of independents, I'd think this would mean voting for impeachment regardless of the party line. For red congresspersons from blue districts - of which a few exist - they'd almost certainly have to vote for impeachment. Those guys are usually elected because of a perceived combination of likeability and personal ethics. You don't see Larry Hogan embracing Trump. His future in Maryland politics would be dead in a heartbeat.
1/14/2021 1:10 PM
One of the big benefits of an impeachment vote is that I want as many votes on the record as possible on Trump, especially at the end of his term. As dahs said, history will NOT view the Trump presidency favorably. Any Republican that votes against impeachment will probably be burning their long-term political asperations to the ground.
1/14/2021 1:22 PM
Follow the $$$$ Mccarthy (and many others) were still all in backing Trump............right up until they learned that some big corps. were pulling campaign donation green rug out from under them.................. all the sudden even HE is for censuring Trump.

It's about re-election and holding power and that means keeping the $$$ interests within your Congressional district happy.
Is why in AZ EVERY single Congressperson voted along Party line on this Impeachment.

Congress reflects US, The People. Obviously we're a spineless bunch.
1/14/2021 2:58 PM
Posted by laramiebob on 1/14/2021 2:58:00 PM (view original):
Follow the $$$$ Mccarthy (and many others) were still all in backing Trump............right up until they learned that some big corps. were pulling campaign donation green rug out from under them.................. all the sudden even HE is for censuring Trump.

It's about re-election and holding power and that means keeping the $$$ interests within your Congressional district happy.
Is why in AZ EVERY single Congressperson voted along Party line on this Impeachment.

Congress reflects US, The People. Obviously we're a spineless bunch.
You are absolutely right about McCarthy.
no one should be fooled into thinking a light bulb of morality went off.
he is the worst of the worst.
he is an opportunist sycophant to power in the worst ways possible.
he remains a very dangerous man.
1/14/2021 3:08 PM
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