I was just reading through the Fair Play Guidelines, and I noticed the rule that states that a user can have two teams in the same world and division, but those teams much be at least 1,000 miles apart. I remember this rule from long ago, but I was wondering if this rule makes any sense.

It would seem to me that having schools far apart would still be very beneficial as you could scout 2 different regions in a very efficient manner. In fact, if you were going to cheat with 2 teams in the same division, wouldn't it be better to have them spread out a bit so your recruiting areas aren't overlapping?

And what about international scouting? It's so expensive that having the scouting resources for 2 teams would create a huge advantage. The 1,000 mile rule wouldn't do anything to lessen that advantage for international recruits.

I know this has been discussed before, and the actual cases of this happening are very few, but does it make sense to scrap the 1,000 mile rule and just limit users to 1 team per division per world? We now have a development team that is receptive so maybe its a good time to open up a dialogue on this again.

Posted by mlitney on 4/29/2021 12:40:00 PM (view original):
I was just reading through the Fair Play Guidelines, and I noticed the rule that states that a user can have two teams in the same world and division, but those teams much be at least 1,000 miles apart. I remember this rule from long ago, but I was wondering if this rule makes any sense.

It would seem to me that having schools far apart would still be very beneficial as you could scout 2 different regions in a very efficient manner. In fact, if you were going to cheat with 2 teams in the same division, wouldn't it be better to have them spread out a bit so your recruiting areas aren't overlapping?

And what about international scouting? It's so expensive that having the scouting resources for 2 teams would create a huge advantage. The 1,000 mile rule wouldn't do anything to lessen that advantage for international recruits.

I know this has been discussed before, and the actual cases of this happening are very few, but does it make sense to scrap the 1,000 mile rule and just limit users to 1 team per division per world? We now have a development team that is receptive so maybe its a good time to open up a dialogue on this again.

coaches with 2 teams generally publically declare their IDs as well specific states/divisions which they only scout and recruit with each team.

in D3 Iba I recruit and scout non top 100 D1 players from KY, SC, NC, VA, WV and everything to the Northeast of that as well as the entire nation for D2 and D3.

With my D1 Iba team I recruit D1 players from the rest of the US, as well as top 100 players from the NE of the d1.

This isn't hard at all and pretty straightforward because one of my teams is B+ prestige D1 and the other one is D3, as they are halfway across the nation.

Challenge with this is always accountability and enforcement.

Yeah, like I said, this really isn't a big problem. How many times does this violation occur? Once every few years? And among the times it does happen, it's mostly due to ignorance of the rule rather than more nefarious practices.

I just think the 1,000 mile guideline is a little silly. Even if we want to allow multiple teams in the same division, I think you could still probably scrap this rule. In fact, I think forcing teams to be within 1,000 miles of each other would be more detrimental than keeping them far apart.

Posted by cubcub113 on 4/29/2021 1:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mlitney on 4/29/2021 12:40:00 PM (view original):
I was just reading through the Fair Play Guidelines, and I noticed the rule that states that a user can have two teams in the same world and division, but those teams much be at least 1,000 miles apart. I remember this rule from long ago, but I was wondering if this rule makes any sense.

It would seem to me that having schools far apart would still be very beneficial as you could scout 2 different regions in a very efficient manner. In fact, if you were going to cheat with 2 teams in the same division, wouldn't it be better to have them spread out a bit so your recruiting areas aren't overlapping?

And what about international scouting? It's so expensive that having the scouting resources for 2 teams would create a huge advantage. The 1,000 mile rule wouldn't do anything to lessen that advantage for international recruits.

I know this has been discussed before, and the actual cases of this happening are very few, but does it make sense to scrap the 1,000 mile rule and just limit users to 1 team per division per world? We now have a development team that is receptive so maybe its a good time to open up a dialogue on this again.

coaches with 2 teams generally publically declare their IDs as well specific states/divisions which they only scout and recruit with each team.

in D3 Iba I recruit and scout non top 100 D1 players from KY, SC, NC, VA, WV and everything to the Northeast of that as well as the entire nation for D2 and D3.

With my D1 Iba team I recruit D1 players from the rest of the US, as well as top 100 players from the NE of the d1.

This isn't hard at all and pretty straightforward because one of my teams is B+ prestige D1 and the other one is D3, as they are halfway across the nation.

no they dont

Posted by mlitney on 4/29/2021 12:40:00 PM (view original):
I was just reading through the Fair Play Guidelines, and I noticed the rule that states that a user can have two teams in the same world and division, but those teams much be at least 1,000 miles apart. I remember this rule from long ago, but I was wondering if this rule makes any sense.

It would seem to me that having schools far apart would still be very beneficial as you could scout 2 different regions in a very efficient manner. In fact, if you were going to cheat with 2 teams in the same division, wouldn't it be better to have them spread out a bit so your recruiting areas aren't overlapping?

And what about international scouting? It's so expensive that having the scouting resources for 2 teams would create a huge advantage. The 1,000 mile rule wouldn't do anything to lessen that advantage for international recruits.

I know this has been discussed before, and the actual cases of this happening are very few, but does it make sense to scrap the 1,000 mile rule and just limit users to 1 team per division per world? We now have a development team that is receptive so maybe its a good time to open up a dialogue on this again.

“I was wondering if this rule makes any sense.”
None whatsoever.

“does it make sense to scrap the 1,000 mile rule and just limit users to 1 team per division per world?”
No, that eliminates none of the problems you identified, and even magnifies some. What would make sense is a strict one team per world rule.

Posted by StillWaters on 4/29/2021 3:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mlitney on 4/29/2021 12:40:00 PM (view original):
I was just reading through the Fair Play Guidelines, and I noticed the rule that states that a user can have two teams in the same world and division, but those teams much be at least 1,000 miles apart. I remember this rule from long ago, but I was wondering if this rule makes any sense.

It would seem to me that having schools far apart would still be very beneficial as you could scout 2 different regions in a very efficient manner. In fact, if you were going to cheat with 2 teams in the same division, wouldn't it be better to have them spread out a bit so your recruiting areas aren't overlapping?

And what about international scouting? It's so expensive that having the scouting resources for 2 teams would create a huge advantage. The 1,000 mile rule wouldn't do anything to lessen that advantage for international recruits.

I know this has been discussed before, and the actual cases of this happening are very few, but does it make sense to scrap the 1,000 mile rule and just limit users to 1 team per division per world? We now have a development team that is receptive so maybe its a good time to open up a dialogue on this again.

“I was wondering if this rule makes any sense.”
None whatsoever.

“does it make sense to scrap the 1,000 mile rule and just limit users to 1 team per division per world?”
No, that eliminates none of the problems you identified, and even magnifies some. What would make sense is a strict one team per world rule.

I like it!

I think that 3.0 made national recruiting somewhat easier - and therefore made two teams in a world more of an issue - and the 1000 mile rule less of a protection

I would at least require folks to disclose any common control of teams in the same world. If disclosed and meets 1000 mile rule and no indication of abuse, fine. If not disclosed, when discovered presumptive violation and you lose at least one of the teams

WIS could create a forum where it is disclosed.