High D1 zone team, my starting C and PF. Seems like ATH more important for shots blocked than SB rating and REB rating a little more important for rebounding than REB.

Does this line up with your model? Takeaway is ATH trumps SB even in zone.

Player A, 96 ATH, 40 SPD, 96 DEF, 81 Reb, 56 SB, 1.3 Blks/game, 6.2 Reb/game, 25.3 MPG:
https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=0&pid=5271495

Player B, 83 ATH, 11 SPD, 95 DEF, 100 REB, 86 SB, 6.8 Reb/game, 1.2 Blks/game, 25.6 blocks/game:
https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=0&pid=5271492

Try to view ATH/SPD as multipliers for the ratings. ATH with more value for the bigs, but SPD still comes into play.

If you have a guy with 100 ATH, but 30 BLK, he's probably not going to block as many shots as a guy with 80 ATH & 80 BLK.
But if it was 100 / 60 vs. 80 / 80, I'd guess the 100 / 60 guy would be every bit as good a shotblocker as the 80 / 80 guy.

I have two questions:

1) are you playing 2-3 or 3-2?

1a) which player is your C?

This isn't surprising in a small sample (one team, one season), and generally the premise here is not wrong - ATH is more important than BLK in all situations.

I think the big thing to keep in mind is that the good advice on blocks and zone is typically framed like this - block is most important for Centers in the 2-3 set. For players in that one scenario, BLK can be a kind of important piece to their overall defensive goodness. In all other situations, it is secondary, even for forwards, even in zone. It's not more important than ATH, not more important than Def, not ever. And only for C in the 2-3 does it even approach those categories. Now none of this suggests that you should really look to the blocked shots stat to gauge how much BLK is contributing to the defensive goodness, because it's pretty much window dressing in the box score, like assists. If your zone team is constructed well and you have good bigs, you'll get a share of blocks, but who exactly gets them really doesn't matter all that much; the main thing is how the attribute is playing into the players' overall defensive ability. That's harder to quantify, but when you play a lot of zone, you will notice that trying to drop too low on block in those 4-5 positions can cause some problems for you. But elite ATH/DEF covers a lot of warts.

Posted by Ahoya on 5/28/2023 12:13:00 PM (view original):
Try to view ATH/SPD as multipliers for the ratings. ATH with more value for the bigs, but SPD still comes into play.

If you have a guy with 100 ATH, but 30 BLK, he's probably not going to block as many shots as a guy with 80 ATH & 80 BLK.
But if it was 100 / 60 vs. 80 / 80, I'd guess the 100 / 60 guy would be every bit as good a shotblocker as the 80 / 80 guy.

So for the example of 100/60 vs 80/80 the game would be valuing every point of Athleticism at .167 which is about what the documentation seems to suggest. If I had to guess I think I'd say .15 which would be virtually indistinguishable.

Posted by shoe3 on 5/28/2023 12:35:00 PM (view original):
This isn't surprising in a small sample (one team, one season), and generally the premise here is not wrong - ATH is more important than BLK in all situations.

I think the big thing to keep in mind is that the good advice on blocks and zone is typically framed like this - block is most important for Centers in the 2-3 set. For players in that one scenario, BLK can be a kind of important piece to their overall defensive goodness. In all other situations, it is secondary, even for forwards, even in zone. It's not more important than ATH, not more important than Def, not ever. And only for C in the 2-3 does it even approach those categories. Now none of this suggests that you should really look to the blocked shots stat to gauge how much BLK is contributing to the defensive goodness, because it's pretty much window dressing in the box score, like assists. If your zone team is constructed well and you have good bigs, you'll get a share of blocks, but who exactly gets them really doesn't matter all that much; the main thing is how the attribute is playing into the players' overall defensive ability. That's harder to quantify, but when you play a lot of zone, you will notice that trying to drop too low on block in those 4-5 positions can cause some problems for you. But elite ATH/DEF covers a lot of warts.

The other question is whether blocked shots on the TEAM level accurately reflects the impact of the Blk rating or maybe Blk reduces Fg% and then the game just rolls a die to determine whether to credit a blocked shot in the box score. It is also unclear how the game handles possession after a block.

Posted by marl_karx on 5/28/2023 12:57:00 PM (view original):

Posted by shoe3 on 5/28/2023 12:35:00 PM (view original):
This isn't surprising in a small sample (one team, one season), and generally the premise here is not wrong - ATH is more important than BLK in all situations.

I think the big thing to keep in mind is that the good advice on blocks and zone is typically framed like this - block is most important for Centers in the 2-3 set. For players in that one scenario, BLK can be a kind of important piece to their overall defensive goodness. In all other situations, it is secondary, even for forwards, even in zone. It's not more important than ATH, not more important than Def, not ever. And only for C in the 2-3 does it even approach those categories. Now none of this suggests that you should really look to the blocked shots stat to gauge how much BLK is contributing to the defensive goodness, because it's pretty much window dressing in the box score, like assists. If your zone team is constructed well and you have good bigs, you'll get a share of blocks, but who exactly gets them really doesn't matter all that much; the main thing is how the attribute is playing into the players' overall defensive ability. That's harder to quantify, but when you play a lot of zone, you will notice that trying to drop too low on block in those 4-5 positions can cause some problems for you. But elite ATH/DEF covers a lot of warts.

The other question is whether blocked shots on the TEAM level accurately reflects the impact of the Blk rating or maybe Blk reduces Fg% and then the game just rolls a die to determine whether to credit a blocked shot in the box score. It is also unclear how the game handles possession after a block.

I think it's the latter - BLK factors into defensive ability, to varying degrees based on position and set, and the system relies on probabilistic devices to decide what happens in the box score. The last factor is an important one, and to my knowledge not definitively answered, but someone can correct me if they've seen something concrete from a dev. I think it's also probabilistic, and tends toward a turnover. I don't know if there are other abilities that play into that though, I think probably not.

ETA - if I had to write this over, I would say "tends toward a change of possession" instead of turnover, as that's what I meant, not a turnover as in a turnover in the box score. Just to clarify.

I'm pretty sure the logic generates a rebound after a block but I've seen things in the boxscore like

10:02: 3 pointer is blocked
10:00 tip in

with the same team possessing the ball and no intervening entries in the boxscore

Posted by marl_karx on 5/28/2023 1:36:00 PM (view original):
I'm pretty sure the logic generates a rebound after a block but I've seen things in the boxscore like

10:02: 3 pointer is blocked
10:00 tip in

with the same team possessing the ball and no intervening entries in the boxscore

Yeah, usually it's listed as a rebound. I just don't know that the rebounding skill - or anything else - necessarily determines whether there is a change of possession, is what I mean. I suspect it's more a random system coin flip.