Thats bs i would be so ****** that should never happen

I would change the thread title to DII, Junior EE - Attn: Seble or something like to and see if we can't get an answer from him because I highly doubt that this is something he intends to have happen.

I don't remember if this was in Smith or Wooden, but a couple of seasons back a team had a DII JR declare for the draft. If I remember the player correctly it was a similar situation to this one. The player was phenominal for DII and probably above average (but not outstanding) for DI. Needless to say, that coach was unhappy.

It shouldn't happen but I'm glad I don't have to defend him twice next season.

It's because he scored so much. If he'd just scored 14-15 ppg, no chance he would've like that.

I'm not saying it's right (that kid's awesome for DII, but he's certainly not early entry awesome) but I've seen it happen once or twice before, and it's always been with a major scorer like that.

He was NPOY as was mully's guy that went early.

well, i hate to do it, but i'm "kinda" on the other side of this. I think kydy was slightly wronged here, but it was close, damn close.

IF Westmoreland was 10pts higher in DEF rating, i would see absolutely no problem with this.

If Westmoreland was on a DI team and they made the S16, i say there's over a 50% chance of him leaving early. So what does it matter if the same player is on a DII team? The kids good enough to play in the NBA based upon ratings. In real life its hard to gauge how good a player in DII is. He's not playing against top-tier talent. But in HD we have each player broken down into ratings. We know how good they are. . .

The main question i have to ask all of you outraged by this is: If a DII team recruited a five star player, should that five star player leave early?

You would all undoubtedly say YES, BUT a five star player would never go to DII.

This is correct, BUT we now play in the potential era. A one star recruit can become a five star recruit in a couple seasons. I recruited one such guy on my DI Weber St team. He was the #130 or #140 PG in the country. But hi-pot in all core categories. Dude will be one of the best PG's in DI by his JR year.

If that kid can leave early from my team, then he should be able to leave early from a DII team as well (had they recruited him). Its the same kid.


Back to this case. Westmoreland is on the very low end of this. but i can see why it happend. again, his DEF is just a tad low. But not unfathomable that he early.

I give up on asking CS questions OFFICIALLY! So, in the responses I received they claim by him being drafted it will help my recruiting. OK, HOW? UPJ has been fortunate lately holding to an A+ Prestige for the past 5 seasons, so do you think there is a chance maybe a 1 Star Recruit will talk to me now? I haven't been able to recruit any players that have been 1 Star quality even as an A+ Prestige. I doubt this will have any impact on my recruiting ability but might be fun if it actually helps.

Hard for me to believe I actually enjoy these fake players to the point that they **** me off in real life. LOL

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 12/11/2009

Quote: Originally posted by homrbush on 12/10/2009 At least he got drafted? I'm sure that'll bump your prestige up ;)

Any player that EE's is guaranteed to get drafted

Did not know that it was a guaranteed thing that they get drafted. Good to know. I was going to be even more ticked if he declared and then didn't even get drafted. If he actually is drafted in the First Round though, I think this would be a good example of how the draft is messed up. He isn't the caliber player as most of the DI seniors and other DI EE's.

This eases my mind (a little) since I have such a small mind to begin with. Thanks zhawks!

Quote: Originally Posted By kydynasty on 12/12/2009
I give up on asking CS questions OFFICIALLY! So, in the responses I received they claim by him being drafted it will help my recruiting. OK, HOW? UPJ has been fortunate lately holding to an A+ Prestige for the past 5 seasons, so do you think there is a chance maybe a 1 Star Recruit will talk to me now? I haven't been able to recruit any players that have been 1 Star quality even as an A+ Prestige. I doubt this will have any impact on my recruiting ability but might be fun if it actually helps.

Hard for me to believe I actually enjoy these fake players to the point that they **** me off in real life. LOL

Yes, there is a chance. I remember some time ago, LM had a DII player drafted in Naismith and he was able to talk to some 1-star players the following season.

Quote: Originally Posted By mrpolo09 on 12/12/2009well, i hate to do it, but i'm "kinda" on the other side of this. I think kydy was slightly wronged here, but it was close, damn close.

IF Westmoreland was 10pts higher in DEF rating, i would see absolutely no problem with this.

If Westmoreland was on a DI team and they made the S16, i say there's over a 50% chance of him leaving early. So what does it matter if the same player is on a DII team? The kids good enough to play in the NBA based upon ratings. In real life its hard to gauge how good a player in DII is. He's not playing against top-tier talent. But in HD we have each player broken down into ratings. We know how good they are. . .

polo, I understand the point you're trying to make here, but the reality falls short. That kid is an absolute stud for DII, but he wouldn't even start for a good BCS team. He's not a legit early entry player, ratings wise. He because of the 20 ppg. If that guy a DI team early, I'd be flabbergasted.

Now, I also agree with your other point. If a high-level DII team recruited a ranked player who did indeed have the ratings to go early, then yes, it's the same player. This kid, while awesome for DII, simply does not have early entry-type ratings.

Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 12/12/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By mrpolo09 on 12/12/2009
well, i hate to do it, but i'm "kinda" on the other side of this. I think kydy was slightly wronged here, but it was close, damn close.

IF Westmoreland was 10pts higher in DEF rating, i would see absolutely no problem with this.

If Westmoreland was on a DI team and they made the S16, i say there's over a 50% chance of him leaving early. So what does it matter if the same player is on a DII team? The kids good enough to play in the NBA based upon ratings. In real life its hard to gauge how good a player in DII is. He's not playing against top-tier talent. But in HD we have each player broken down into ratings. We know how good they are. . .

polo, I understand the point you're trying to make here, but the reality falls short. That kid is an absolute stud for DII, but he wouldn't even start for a good BCS team. He's not a legit early entry player, ratings wise. He because of the 20 ppg. If that guy a DI team early, I'd be flabbergasted.

Now, I also agree with your other point. If a high-level DII team recruited a ranked player who did indeed have the ratings to go early, then yes, it's the same player. This kid, while awesome for DII, simply does not have early entry-type ratings.

Exactly! That is what shocked me when I received the e-mail about the draft. I realize he has had a wonderful career and averaging 20 PTs, NPOY and all. But with his ratings, he would still not leave a DI school as a JUNIOR (EE) in my opinion. So, my questions: Why don't we see SUPERSTAR DIII PLAYERS get drafted? I have seen DIII SENIOR players about as good as this guy and average more points but never get drafted?

I think it's the systems way of saying that this guy should never have been in D2 to start with. If you have a couple of 700 players in D2 you are going to have a pretty good team. It would be hard to compete with this guy. Maybe it was done to restore the competitive balance -- not that I agree with it.

No, the sim is simply not that advanced, and it doesn't look at factors like that for DII teams. Because this guy had decent ratings and averaged 20 ppg, the sim simply thought he was good enough to be an early entry guy.