You're reading that right. The situation has been hashed out in Hamilton and here some in the forums too...but here is what Customer Support has officially said this beauty in relation to my trade of a player for cash:

"That trade, if it goes through, has the ability to totally transform another team for next to nothing and it will also upset the balance of the world."

So not only do cash trades upset the balance of worlds, they are calling the trading teams' 18 million dollar cash outlay (cash sent to me, cash transferred and the amount transferred) as next to nothing.

Just thought that was pretty interesting. Discuss.

I'm torn between "Told ya so!" and "Nyah nyah, nyah nyah nyah!".

One lopsided trade being voided is certainly a far cry from any sort of a ruling on cash being included in trades in general.

This thread should be called "Lopsided trade voided."

"That trade, if it goes through, has the ability to totally transform another team for next to nothing and it will also upset the balance of the world."

What you say is all well and good, snake, except that your argument means that 18 million is next to nothing. In fact, it's almost 10% of your budget, and that's BEFORE you break it down into pieces.

18 million is hardly next to nothing.

Now if your argument is that I still wasn't getting enough, that's actually another argument altogether. What they're saying is that 10% of your budget is next to nothing.

As perhaps the most vocal proponent of cash-in-trades, though not involved in any of the like we have discussed, I have to say that I am disappointed with the explanation of reasoning, but, believe it or not, okay with the site staff ruling as a whole. I do actually believe that imbalance of a world to the extreme is a bad thing, despite the fact that that is the entire goal of each player in playing this game in the first place (hence the name) - kind of ironic.

Of course, the whole pandora's box of how much is too much when dealing with a 'salary-dump' style trade will inevitably come next with a definition of what constitutes a "balanced world". I'm perfectly willing to be involved in worlds that create their limits, etc., but I don't see the philosphical disagreement coming to an end.

Oh, and tec: either response is fine with me. I can take it. I don't believe the site staff's response is correct in an ideal world, but then again, they have a product to market - I don't. It really doesn't matter whether they've established a good foundation argument. They are the Creators....

I'm thinking another ticket, asking the same question, would get a different response.

A third similar ticket would probably get a different response.

You're just playing Customer Support Roulette when a ticket is sent.



If 18m is next to nothing, why can't we include 18m in trade?

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 9/18/2009
I'm thinking another ticket, asking the same question, would get a different response.

A third similar ticket would probably get a different response.

You're just playing Customer Support Roulette when a ticket is sent.

If 18m is next to nothing, why can't we include 18m in trade?

Bingo.

ADMIN knows there's a problem when too much cash trades hands. That's why there's a loose limit. If I made 6 deals with one owner and included 3m in each, ADMIN would not back me if I claimed world collusion after they got vetoed. I could produce dozens of examples showing that similar talent was traded with 3m included but they would not back me.

They know you can't have "next to nothing" being included in league-changing deals.

Quote: Originally Posted By tropicana on 9/18/2009
"That trade, if it goes through, has the ability to totally transform another team for next to nothing and it will also upset the balance of the world."
What you say is all well and good, snake, except that your argument means that 18 million is next to nothing. In fact, it's almost 10% of your budget, and that's BEFORE you break it down into pieces.

18 million is hardly next to nothing.

Now if your argument is that I still wasn't getting enough, that's actually another argument altogether. What they're saying is that 10% of your budget is next to nothing.

Nope, not me, sorry. That was WIS's idea, not mine, and I agree with silentpadna and anyone else who disagrees with that llittle gaffe of theirs.

Come to think of it, if the trade under any reasonable judgement of the worth on both sides wasn't imbalanced, but was voided simply because of the amount of cash involved, then I believe they made a serious mistake in voiding it. Only if a trade is imbalanced should it be voided.

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 9/18/2009ADMIN knows there's a problem when too much cash trades hands.

Actually, there is no problem with that perse. The problem comes in when there is collusion, or an imbalanced trade, or arbitrary actions by the other owners in the league against balanced trades just because they include cash. And WIS is afraid that they will fail to adequately address issues when they arise (and based on their history that is a no-brainer) so they panic and try to prevent trades with cash, even balanced ones. It's all so juvenile, imo.

This is what I don't understand. The argument always was that the team receiving the cash is getting an unfair advantage, and now that they tell you the cash, even at 18M, is insignificant you seem to think your point is justified.



And if you still think that amount is significant at this point in your season, tell me what you plan to do with it to better your team. Alll top free agents would already be signed. Transferring $9M into your prospect budget would not land you an international player who is at the player you traded away's caliber. So tell me, how would this 18M benefit your team.

That hasn't always been the argument.

The argument was, essentially, that some people didn't understand the value of cash. Hell, my neighbor's 2-year-old daughter understands the value of cash.

Admin ruled on 1 trade that involved cash, not all trades that involved cash.

"That trade, if it goes through, has the ability to totally transform another team for next to nothing and it will also upset the balance of the world."