Ok I totally understand how drop downs work but can somebody go a little in depth on how pull downs work cause I don't understand these?

They supposedly don't show up on the list so how do you know if they are interested in your school?

Say your a D3 school, and its towards the end of the recruiting period, can you go onto the D2 list and try to pull a recruit down?

Like I said I don't understand how "pull downs" work at all.

thats because they dont exist - regardless of what morons like furry say

they are just dropdowns

The idea of a "pulldown" is finding a player that is receptive to your call/letter/coach's call (says you are a backup and will consider you if his A list falls through) and recruiting him hard before he drops. If you can wait long enough and no one else recruits him, he'll eventually drop typically (this may be debatable as I've had a few players never drop). The "pulldown" just means you are able to get him to consider you or sign with you before he would normally drop.

If you are late in recruiting (say the last day), most guys that show up on the level above yours are not likely to drop/be pulled down. It's all in what the recruit says in response to your efforts.

Regardless of what some coaches think, "pulldowns" do exist and barretchap's explanation is a pretty good one of how it works.

Quote: Originally Posted By tracyr on 11/28/2009
thats because they dont exist - regardless of what morons like furry say

they are just dropdowns

Rob, God love you, you seem to make this same exact same comment once every few months.

Pulldowns do exist, they are an accepted part of the game and have been acknowledged by the people that run it. Continuing to insist otherwise just makes you seem a bit removed from reality.

they definitely exist, no question about it. to pull a guy down, you have to give him a bunch of effort before he drops (it can be the first cycle, and can be all at once, or spread out). so when you pull a guy down, he will then start considering you, and be receptive to any recruiting tools. for example, as a B prestige school, you may be able to pull a guy down before he even drops to the A+ schools, so this is a very important tool to work with.

Quote: Originally posted by tracyr on 11/28/2009thats because they dont exist - regardless of what morons like furry saythey are just dropdowns

sorry but you are completely wrong... if i thought people actually believed they didnt exist i would have taken pictures of my D2 center who signed this season while still on my D1 screen

If "pulldowns" don't exist, how would you explain lower prestige schools getting considered by D1 players, when schools with a higher prestige (in the same division) cannot yet see them on their D2 recruiting screens because they haven't "dropped"? This scenario happens ALL the time.........

Edit: Gillispie beat me to the punch on the prestige example.

Quote: Originally posted by tmacfan12 on 11/29/2009

Quote: Originally posted by tracyr on 11/28/2009thats because they dont exist - regardless of what morons like furry saythey are just dropdowns

sorry but you are completely wrong... if i thought people actually believed they didnt exist i would have taken pictures of my D2 center who signed this season while still on my D1 screen

Did those players drop to your D-2 screen once they were available? How did you know when they became available. Just wondering.

The pulldowns do not drop down to your current division level atleast not for a few sessions in my limited experience. But you will know that you are successfully pulling down as you will receive very positive feedback and you will be able to show up on his list of interested schools with a scholarship offer or home visit or etc. So far the only two players I have done pulldowns on were both within 70 miles of me. One player took only a few evals while the other took 5. Mind you, one of the teams I coach and pulled down with has a C- prestige as I just took them over, so don't feel it is hopeless if you are in a low prestige situation.

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Ok so does most of the recruits that get pull downed have to be close in proximity to your school and will you get some positive feedback from a recruit from the first contact with him or do you need to stay persistant before he starts to come around?

Whether you get positive feedback from them or not isn't distance related (with the exception of a little boost for players w. in 70 miles). However, at DIII it's very costly and risky to pull guys down who aren't local, you just don't have the budget. At DII it's a little more feasible, but still risky.

To answer your other question, if a guy tells you right off the bat that you have no chance, then you literally have no chance. Peristence will only lose you money. If he says you're a backup option, then you can either wait until he drops down to you (and he may not if another school(s) starts to recruit him), or you can take the chance on attempting to pull him down.

Quote: Originally posted by dalter on 11/29/2009Whether you get positive feedback from them or not isn't distance related (with the exception of a little boost for players w. in 70 miles). However, at DIII it's very costly and risky to pull guys down who aren't local, you just don't have the budget. At DII it's a little more feasible, but still risky.To answer your other question, if a guy tells you right off the bat that you have no chance, then you literally have no chance. Peristence will only lose you money. If he says you're a backup option, then you can either wait until he drops down to you (and he may not if another school(s) starts to recruit him), or you can take the chance on attempting to pull him down.

Even at D2 if you cross the 300 mile threshold (or whatever it is) it starts to get way too expensive to pulldown guys. Especially if you have limited amounts of scholarships.

Here's the (slightly edited) pulldown explanation I just gave to the guy who took over my d2 dynasty:

OK, first thing I do is use the FSS service to scout about 8 states-- close ones + whichever ones you want, as long as it's enough to get you the 20% discount on FSS.

Then, pick players you want/need the most, only from states you scouted, and give them each a phone call. These should only be players listed as D1 recruits, and probably nobody ranked better than ~150th at their position. Look mainly for guys with good core skill ratings, but high potential in the key areas (REB, LP for bigs, PER, BH, PA for Gs, little of everything for SFs-- and ATH/SPD/DEF for everyone). obviously, its hard to find High Potential for everything you want, but with patience, you can figure out where the right compromise is...

You'll get calls back from guys who are willing to consider you later-- these will say something like "you're a fallback option for me". These are the guys you want to recruit.

Others will ignore you completely or say "nothing will ever make me play at Lees-Mcrae". Remove these guys from your list.

For the guys you want to recruit, how/when to pull them down depends on how far away they are. If you are totally sure you want someone, send him about 10 Scouting Visits, a scholarship offer, and call it a day. Usually this is enough to pull them down-- if not, send a couple more scouting visits the next cycle. It has taken me as many as 15 or so, but that is rare. For obvious reasons, this is too expensive to try on guys who are far away. It also won't work on anyone who hasn't sent you a "backup option" message.

But, you can usually get local guys up to a couple hundred miles away to consider you for $2000-3000.