the reason i brought up those other threads is that i was purusing them trying to figure out if some folks feel there are differences between these three offenses.

Admin once upon a time said something that made me think there was no diference at all between the three and they could be used interchangeable with any group of players and the results woud be the same.

thinking back, i wonder if that was just some adminspeak that i misunderstood (wouldnt be the firs time) thats not really a knock on admin. i can see where he has to be vague to some extent or else it may spoil some of the fun of figuring out how the engine ticks.

Im pretty sure that I have heard some of the top coaches agree with the above but I think there are others who feel strongly that you need to change your strategies depending on which offense you employ.

So which group do you fall in?

1) there is very little to no difference between the three offenses

2) the three offenses require slightly different player types to be optimially successful. And Id be glad to explain this up to a point.

3) the three offenses dont really require different playertypes per say, but the game strategy, especially how you use distro, needs to be adjusted to the type of offense.

4)the three offenses are different, but i had to work hard to figure this stuff out and im not going to spoon feed it to the masses.

5) i have given this thing some thought, and i just dont know

6) i really havent given it much thought.



If you feel there has been info from admin/seble that definitively (or even partially) answers this question, please share.

please share your thoughts and opinions as well

I sort of fall under 4. I believe there is very little difference between Motion and Triangle. Flex, however, seems to stand out from the two significantly. There are particular types of players that don't usually rank high on most coaches' recruiting lists, but have a lot of value in the Flex offense IMO.

I always have played Triangle for a long time and only know about it.

Trianlge allows you to go with a balanced offense, with no stars. You need to pass. You can worry about cores more, and not ATHL and Speed.

That has been my experience.

oldave, I'm in the #5 group. It continues to amaze me that WIS has not put out a definitive guide to all systems, telling us how the offenses/defenses best work in the game. Something like a matrix, with position, rating and importance level would do. For instance, a PF in the Triangle would use BH on an importance level of 28 out of 100, or at least something like roughly 2 of 5. Instead, they have given us extremely small amounts of info, and we are to decipher the tea leaves we collect in game after game after game, with the RNG constantly convoluting our data. I say just put it out there, at a basic level, so as pretend coaches, we can have a basic understanding of how the pretend game systems work. Seems reasonable to me.

you know, js, i dont even care tht they go so far as to explain it to us, as long as they would definitivelty say whether these differences exist.

ive got mixed emotions on them telling us how it works... but i guess i would lean toward agreeing with you right now as i feel ive banged my head against the wall enough on this one. kinda like a "Jumble" puzzle---- eventually you just have to turn the page upside down.

"All I know is that I don't know"...

I have had xp with the motion and the triangle. The triangle creates more fouls, not sure why. The distribution is easier to figure out in the motion. If you don't have the distribution right in the triangle, you will lose games you shouldn't have.

dave great thread, I know many coaches think I might be at the 4 level - i.e. I know but I ain't saying, I am split between voting 1 - i don't think there is any diff or 5 I have given it thought and don't know.

If anyone knows for a near fact, they have not come out and said anything, the little I have seen, even when top coaches give us hints, I have never been impressed with what has been said

what I wish is seble would come out and either give us the matix jskenner asked for, or

to address your point #2 at least tell us certain players do improve certain offenses (which in theory, I would almost have to guess is true, it is just a matter of degree)

and / or to address your point #3 tell us that certain distro's or strategies work better with certain offenses (which in theory I think is not true, at least I have not found it to matter at all)

this info would at least encourage us to keep trying to figure it out, or to focus on some other aspect of the game

Oldave = OR

in my freaking dreams, dubya, in my freeeaking dreams

is there any chance that with the engine re-do the answer will be different or at least that seble will be better able to give us an answer (is it possible that the current engine is so complex that he cant really tell wether the Os are different or not?)

Im not hatin on the big man. I just have a very limited knowledge of programming and such and so i dont know if its possible that the engine is that complex.

i will say that i often felt that admin (tarek) was not 100% sure of how things worked alot of the time. maybe that was just him being vague and keeping us guessing, but when he gave us flat out wrong answers,, i just dont think he would do that except that maybe he didnt totally understand that aspect of the game?

I guess I would be a modified #3 type. I believe you can be most successful in the Motion with 5 starters who can all score and I give them equal distro. However, in the Triangle I can be successful with only a good shooting SG, SF, and 1 big with the bulk of the distro going to them. I have never been able to figure out the Flex well enough to comment on it.

Sorry for the delayed response but I was in a car wreck yesterday and broke my collarbone. It takes forever to type with only one hand.

Quote: Originally Posted By Weena on 12/10/2009I guess I would be a modified #3 type. I believe you can be most successful in the Motion with 5 starters who can all score and I give them equal distro. However, in the Triangle I can be successful with only a good shooting SG, SF, and 1 big with the bulk of the distro going to them. I have never been able to figure out the Flex well enough to comment on it.

Sorry for the delayed response but I was in a car wreck yesterday and broke my collarbone. It takes forever to type with only one hand

I'm pretty much with Weena except for the broken collarbone thing.

2/3

I've only ever really run the flex and the triangle. The thing I find with the flex is that it requires good passing - especially in big men - but the key is that I think it works better when you have high IQ guys. Which makes it a tough offense to stick with because of player turnover. But when you get the guys with high IQ its great.

The triangle is fairly straightforward and what I understand of it is already in this thread. Though I'm not sure the good shooting players definitely need to be SG/SF. I think it can be any combination of the three (PG/SG/SF). Also, I think this is an offense where its very easy to slide a SG into the SF position because you're looking for the same basic skillsets and don't need the LP.

I have found, at least in my experience, that I can have a good bit of success with a fast but less athletic posts in flex that I don't seem to have with the same type of player in other offensive systems.

#2)

My experience with them

Flex: It works best with Guards as your primary scorers. Post players basically just focused on rebounding. This is by no means facts from WIS, just my personal experience. No huge need for the inside scoring threat.

Motion: All players capable of scoring consistanty. More flexibility in gameplanning from game to game. Guards higher disto 1 game and post players the next. More flexibility.

Triangle: At least 1 guard as a big scoring threat SF plays a big role in this offense in my opinion. At least 1, if not 2 scoring threats inside.

Just my personal take on the 3 offenses. Passing seems to play into the mix a little more in the triangle, in my opinion. Just my .02s here.