It's been a year or two since I last saw this topic discussed but maybe I'm out of the loop on anything more recent. Does anyone know if WIS has any intention of reclassifying teams to their correct division status and or conference?

I realize it's a headache and maybe something they didn't think about dealing with back in the day but there are now quite a few schools that HD has as D2 which have fully transitioned into D1. Since I didn't go to any of these schools I could really care less but if I did go there I would be a little bothered by still being stuck in D2 out of disrespect and WIS does at least claim to attempt to reach as much realism as they can. There is already a bit of unrealism based on the fact that each conference is even with 12 teams and includes teams that shouldn't be in some conferences (ala Hawaii and Fresno St in the Pac 10) and also exlcudes teams from larger conferences (many examples from the Big East).

The fact that a school like UC Davis, as improbably as it is, could win the D1 National Champ in RL but not WIS is a bit odd since WIS replicates RL and not the other way around.

There is probably more, but here are just a few schools now outdated based on WIS divisions:

UC Davis, Seattle U, Bryant U, CSU Bakersfield, Central Ark, Florida Gulf, NC Central, U North Dakota, Presbyterian, U South Carolina Upstate, U South Dakota and SIU Edwardsville.

That alone is 12 schools now considered to be D1. 11 are fairly new to D1 and were all on one list that I read but Davis isn't even listed as a recent transition on this list so that one is from memory. And it's not like these are all scrub teams rigth now. Seattle U has a projected 1st round pick on their team this season in RL.

I know the logistics of transitioning WIS would be a headache but would still love to see it. I personally would plan a rollout over 4 seasons or so. Any of these schools currently with SIM coaches transition them now. Any with human coaches in D2 who are qualified for D1 give them the option of moving up with their current school. Or, if they aren't qualified, give them the 4 seasons to get there credentials to that level or face being fired when their school goes D1. Of course you may have to do something like this on a by-world-basis and I'm not sure they would consider having the various different worlds not be uniform for a few seasons across the board.

aidiamo, this is one way to go about things.

Another way of looking at things is to say that really really bad DII or DI schools should be demoted to a lower level and really good (dynasty type) DIII and DII schools should be promoted.

I'm not saying either is right or wrong...just that there is another way of looking at it.

I agree, you could go that direction with this game as well which I would be fine with. But that would mean WIS breaking away much more from "RL" which it seems like is a common excuse for why things are/aren't a certain way. I think it would be great if bad D1 schools here dropped down, good D2 schools get bumped to D1 and even great mid major D1 schools be able to move to a higher rated conference to bump out a weaker one. I can't remember which game it was but there was (I believe) and EA college football game a few years back that if you were very successful at somewhere like Boise you could accept an invite to join the Pac 10 and they would bump out someone like Oregon State if they were the weak link.

I actually would prefer this element to the game but again, don't think it would happen since all worlds would not be uniform and I don't know if WIS could handle that.

What would you do with Winston -Salem? They were DII until 2004, then went to D1. In 2010, they'll go back to DII

Not going to happen at all, nor should it. You think that a coach who happens to just get a team that is D2 in WIS and D1 IRL should get promoted to D1? No.

That and WIS already isn't set up like real life conferences anyway so why does it matter? It doesn't.

I went to Bryant and coach them in Phelan, and I wouldn't want them to be moved to D1. I have put a lot of work into building them into 1 of the best D2 programs in Phelan I'd be upset if I got moved to D1 and became a low level program.

You would be upsetting a whole lot for little-to-no actual value. Doesn't really make sense.

However I would like billa's idea of making it possible for really good programs to move up and giving really bad teams the option of moving down.

Quote: Originally Posted By kmasonbx on 12/19/2009However I would like billa's idea of making it possible for really good programs to move up and giving really bad teams the option of moving down

The game isn't even where everyone wants it right now. Do you guys think that this is something that would be very easy to do? When teams move from divisions what would their prestiges' be? Some coaches like to stay in the division that they are in and if they want to move up they can by picking a different team. IRL it is an honor to get bumped up a division. This would be a terrible addition to the game and I'm sure will not be considered to much extent.

Quote: Originally Posted By kmasonbx on 12/19/2009However I would like billa's idea of making it possible for really good programs to move up and giving really bad teams the option of moving down

You would be upsetting a whole lot for little-to-no actual value. Doesn't really make sense.

yeah, aidia, im just not seeing it. i mean, i understand where you are coming from, and if we happen to have a couple of coaches here who have real life ties to a schol that has changed divisions... then i guess i could see where it might be a big issue to them, but when you look at the game as a whole, this is just a really low priority thing. my guess is that 95% of the coaches here would not be able to tell you which division these recent changers are in now. just not a big deal. if they can figure a way to do it easily, then yes, i am all for it. but there are a gazillion things ahead of this on the priority list.

as for the idea of teams moving up and down based on performance... i dont like it, and i dont really get it.

Yeah, agreed ole d. I don't think it has any part in the game. If the divisions were, in anyway, correct with real life to begin with I would be willing to have a debate. That is not the case what-so-ever so I think it is a non-issue.

It would be amusing if a promotion/relegation system (only DI) was based on conference prestige with teams trying to enter better conferences through on-court success.

Taking a low DI program and winning their way into an invitation into the Big 10 would be a twist...conversely watching Hawaii slowly slip from Pac-10 to Big South (or equivalent) member. It would give somebody whose alma mater is hopelessly assigned to a low conference at least the chance of building the program into something that doesn't have to suffer the year-in year-out penalty of not being in a "Big 6" conference.

It happens just often enough (the next case study will be the upcoming Big 10 expansion, setting off a who-knows-what domino effect in the lower conferences) that it should not be dismissed outright. Do me a favor and think about it for 10 seconds and then reject the idea.

However, don't take this too seriously, just a playful suggestion.