How promotions should be! Topic

I am sure this has been addressed before. And they way they do it now is about the way they have always done it, with some changes over time.

I think the current promotion system is wrong and it hurting the game as a whole. New coaches dont want to spend years coaching some hick school in DIII and many more at a margianlly famous school in DII befroe you can get to what most people consider real schools.

Everyone has to start at DIII. That is fundemental.

To move from DIII to DII the standards should be very low. 2 Complere season with a minumum of 30 wins or 3 complete seasons. This will prove a basic understanding of the game

To Move from DII to a lower DI school should only require 2 winning seasons. This will prove a deeper understanding of the game as well as a mastering of the fundemental issues like roster management.

Any moves in DI should be held up until most coaches have had a chance to apply. Then the best coach will get the job. There again should be minimum standards...I think a post season appearance at any level before you can get promoted to a new school.

This will bring amny new people to the game. They may not be great coaches, but good coaches. And a good human will be better for the game than a SIM.

12/30/2009 5:57 PM
I was scared when I noticed a thread that said "How something should be" started by swamp... sigh not another one of these...
12/30/2009 6:04 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 12/30/2009
I am sure this has been addressed before. And they way they do it now is about the way they have always done it, with some changes over time.

I think the current promotion system is wrong and it hurting the game as a whole. New coaches dont want to spend years coaching some hick school in DIII and many more at a margianlly famous school in DII befroe you can get to what most people consider real schools.

Everyone has to start at DIII. That is fundemental.

To move from DIII to DII the standards should be very low. 2 Complere season with a minumum of 30 wins or 3 complete seasons. This will prove a basic understanding of the game The standards are already lower than that. The standards to move up to D2 is basically, play a season at D3. In Tark, I played one season at Philly Bib, didn't pay attention, went 6-22, and the next season I went to play in Tark, I was eligible for D2.

To Move from DII to a lower DI school should only require 2 winning seasons. This will prove a deeper understanding of the game as well as a mastering of the fundemental issues like roster management.

Any moves in DI should be held up until most coaches have had a chance to apply. Then the best coach will get the job. There again should be minimum standards...I think a post season appearance at any level before you can get promoted to a new school.

This will bring amny new people to the game. They may not be great coaches, but good coaches. And a good human will be better for the game than a SIM.



12/30/2009 6:21 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 12/30/2009

I am sure this has been addressed before. And they way they do it now is about the way they have always done it, with some changes over time.

I think the current promotion system is wrong and it hurting the game as a whole. That is not what is hurting this game.

New coaches dont want to spend years coaching some hick school in DIII and many more at a margianlly famous school in DII befroe you can get to what most people consider real schools. Years? Years? The current promotion system can get you to DII if you have a heart beat. In fact that is what is WRONG with the system. Coaches moving to DII before they are ready and getting plastered by more experienced coaches till the point they give up and quit.

Everyone has to start at DIII. That is fundemental. The best thing you've said in this thread so far.

To move from DIII to DII the standards should be very low. Lower than a heart beat? Seriously ..one good season or two average seasons gets you there. If a coach cant do that in a world populated by 66% SIMS then he doesnt belong in DII.

2 Complere season with a minumum of 30 wins or 3 complete seasons. This will prove a basic understanding of the game. Again ....I thought this WAS the current system

To Move from DII to a lower DI school should only require 2 winning seasons. This will prove a deeper understanding of the game as well as a mastering of the fundemental issues like roster management.

Any moves in DI should be held up until most coaches have had a chance to apply. Then the best coach will get the job. There again should be minimum standards...I think a post season appearance at any level before you can get promoted to a new school.

This will bring amny new people to the game. They may not be great coaches, but good coaches. And a good human will be better for the game than a SIM.



I'm busting your balls here because your complaint is really directed at the moves from DII to lower DI. Your post would be better off taking out the DIII to DII stuff because it loses a little credibility at that point.

Do you know for a fact what the criteria currently are for DII to DI moves? I thought those have also been toned down a ton in the past several seasons.
12/30/2009 6:24 PM
colonels once again the faster typer
12/30/2009 6:24 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By mullycj on 12/30/2009colonels once again the faster type
Lol, actually I just had less to say, which is surprising in itself lol.
12/30/2009 6:26 PM
I would say there is a flaw though. If everyone gets to D1 then there would never be chances of new coaches to come up.

I want to be able to move up into D1 and get to a big time conference and not now have a bunch of new players getting to D1 in 3-4 seasons. Plus if you never have to stay at D3 or D2 for 4+ years you never have to rely on your recruiting which is the hardest part. Anyone can take over someones stacked recruiting class and win 20+ games easily, its the reloading of talent that is the trick.
12/30/2009 9:27 PM
The biggest flaw with job promotions is the fact that nobody is ever qualified for a mid-major that has been built up to a B- or greater prestige.
12/30/2009 9:32 PM
Quote: Originally posted by zhawks on 12/30/2009The biggest flaw with job promotions is the fact that nobody is ever qualified for a mid-major that has been built up to a B- or greater prestige.

bingo.

i feel basing promotions on 4 years is a bit ridiculous as well. for example, maybe a half year ago, i remember OR stating there were jobs he was not qualified (or maybe it was longshot) for in d1 tark despite having the most wildly successful d1 program of all time.
12/31/2009 1:14 AM
i don't really have anything to say about the original post, but along those lines, it is annoying having to work your way through the ladder in each world. i would pick up a few d1 teams in other worlds if i didn't have to work my way through d3/d2. i feel there should be some threshold where you are exempt. like, maybe 30 nt appearances or 5 final 4s or 2 titles in the low divisions gets you access to any d1 d range prestige school in any world. with priority going to coaches who already have experience in that world. for past resume, which is needed to allow further promotion, i would just use whatever is normal for a guy who can get a d+ job and no better. like 200 wins and 2 straight d2 nt early exits, or whatever.
12/31/2009 1:20 AM
I'd just agree that not being qualified for a certain job and it going to the SIMAI to run into the ground makes no sense. I'm Coach Subbie slogging it out at C- Podunk U with my 3 Conference titles in 4 years and a one first round NT loss should get me a B- job at a mid major.

IF no one else applies that is. Because in real life, sure you'd hold out for someone. But in this game, the SIMAI will just run the program into the ground, where I'm sitting over here grinding my teeth because I've basically got to shell out another two seasons worth of money just to put my time in for a job no one else wants.

Of course, the flip side of that is people need to get fired easier. I shouldn't be able to be miserable for 15 seasons before I get canned. Give it 3-4 seasons and you'll see a lot of job movement where people won't get upset that "HE" got "THAT JOB WITH THAT RESUME?" because they know he'll probably get canned in 2-3 seasons anyway.
12/31/2009 1:28 AM
Quote: Originally Posted By sublightd on 12/31/2009I'd just agree that not being qualified for a certain job and it going to the SIMAI to run into the ground makes no sense. I'm Coach Subbie slogging it out at C- Podunk U with my 3 Conference titles in 4 years and a one first round NT loss should get me a B- job at a mid major.

IF no one else applies that is. Because in real life, sure you'd hold out for someone. But in this game, the SIMAI will just run the program into the ground, where I'm sitting over here grinding my teeth because I've basically got to shell out another two seasons worth of money just to put my time in for a job no one else wants.

Of course, the flip side of that is people need to get fired easier. I shouldn't be able to be miserable for 15 seasons before I get canned. Give it 3-4 seasons and you'll see a lot of job movement where people won't get upset that "HE" got "THAT JOB WITH THAT RESUME?" because they know he'll probably get canned in 2-3 seasons anyway


Agreed. The problem is, I don't think WIS wants to **** off coaches who have spent their time and money to get to D1. My response would be, "You couldn't cut it. Too bad. Pack your bags and don't let the door hit you in the *** on the way out..........Have a nice life".

Firings should REALLY be ramped up big time. My opinion is, if your sitting at a big time school (the A+/A/A- schools) and you're not making the NT consistently, it's time to go. Maybe not every season, because a lot of things can happen to ruin a season, but more than 50% of the time. If you can't do that, then it's time to go.

Of course, having said that, there has to be some qualifiers. Coaches should have at least four seasons to get their players in place, amongst other things. But after that, the clock should start ticking..............
12/31/2009 1:58 AM
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